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So as some of you knows, the president is trying to pass his plan of reforming the pension system in France, one of the main point is to pass the age of retreat to 64yo. 

This project is massively rejected by a majority of the population (90% of active workers), and by all the opposition of Macron's party. 

French people are protesting since months against this reform. Multiple activities areas are touched : Transports, refeneries/energy, farming, schools..

Some districts of Paris became a dump as well. 


While the president was partying in Congo a huge call to the population to strike took place on the 7th of march 2023. E.Macron refused to speak with opposants and proceeded to put his new law to the Senate's vote.
After 10 days of debates, The Senate voted in favor of the reform on the 12 of march by 195 vote against 112 

Now today, The reform was supposed to be put under the vote of the national assembly, deputies and senators were about to vote in favour or against it, but the first minister, Elisabeth Borne, with the approbation of the president, used a special article of the constitution, 49.3, and engage the responsibility of her government to force the text of the reform without any vote.

She got received with shouts and booing, then some started singing the nation anthem

They had to have a break. Then it continued

 

Emmanuel Macron has chosen 49-3 to pass the pension reform. Elisabeth Borne therefore engages the responsibility of the government before the National Assembly on this text, which will therefore be adopted without a vote.

But the National Assembly can oppose it by tabling a motion of censure within the following twenty-four hours, so by Friday 3 p.m.

The fact that deputies table a motion of censure does not automatically overthrow the government. But if the majority of the deputies of the National Assembly vote in favor of this motion of censure, the government will be forced to resign.

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Don't hesitate to correct me if i used wrong words or anything :sweat:Im not sure about the translation, i tried to recap it simply. 

Update : March 20th 

While Paris become stinkier everyday, the protests are growing and become more and more spontaneous. The support from the people is getting higher, workers are getting more revolted, syndicats calls for a new big strike day for next Thursday. Macron said that he won't give up and stand up against the country. 

So 2 motions of censures are going to be vote, they need a majority of 287 of parliamentarians to block the reform and shut the government. The first motion of censure comes from the far right group, and has no chance to get vote outside their members. The second one, that has chances to pass, is the one deposed by a small group called LIOT (Freedoms, independents, overseas and territories), it's a cross-party motion and could counts :

88 deputies from the Far-right (RN)

149 deputies from the left/ecologists far-left LFI (NUPES) 

20 members of the LIOT 

and 5 unregistered

So basically it comes down to the republicans party ("liberal-conservative") with Eric Ciotti as leader of the group, that is pretty much backing up Macron

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I mean where do you set the bar? For a lot of people your health in the 60s will rapidly decline. We work are entire adult lives, how long are we 'allowed' the luxury of rest for in our final years? 

So as some of you knows, the president is trying to pass his plan of reforming the pension system in France, one of the main point is to pass the age of retreat to 64yo.  This project is massivel

The political elite are quite happy raising the retirement age for pensions because they know that they themselves can afford to retire at whatever they want on all their stocks, shares, and favors

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The political elite are quite happy raising the retirement age for pensions because they know that they themselves can afford to retire at whatever they want on all their stocks, shares, and favors

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1 hour ago, bionic said:

The political elite are quite happy raising the retirement age for pensions because they know that they themselves can afford to retire at whatever they want on all their stocks, shares, and favors

That may be true but with longer life expectancies and aged population I'm surprised so many countries never reformed pension standards until now

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2 hours ago, Oriane said:

They want to end up like Louis XVI and all the nobles, let them end up like them.

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In Germany it's soon gonna be 70 :toofunny: So I'll just work until I die

 

Oh and props to the French! You rock! Germany could never

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22 minutes ago, Economy said:

That may be true but with longer life expectancies and aged population I'm surprised so many countries never reformed pension standards until now

getting older doesn't necessarily mean that you're also healthier or fitter...

 

and in Germany it has been raised regularly...we're now at 67 soon to be 70

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23 minutes ago, Economy said:

That may be true but with longer life expectancies and aged population I'm surprised so many countries never reformed pension standards until now

I mean where do you set the bar? For a lot of people your health in the 60s will rapidly decline. We work are entire adult lives, how long are we 'allowed' the luxury of rest for in our final years?  Or do we just work until we drop because the economy needs it?

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44 minutes ago, Economy said:

That may be true but with longer life expectancies and aged population I'm surprised so many countries never reformed pension standards until now

Life expectancy is one thing but life expectancy in great health conditions is different. In France for males I recently saw the second one was 65 yo so barely a year above the new retirement age... And that's just the average age, many already lost a decent health before 65 yo because of decades of doing tough jobs, hereditary health conditions, lifetime with an incapacity to follow an healthy diverse organic diet since it would be too big of a grocery bill etc etc...

Also in France where public money money is often wasted folks don't want to hear they need to work more to balance a budget. They want this waste be fixed + the many frauds to finally be seriously fought before they're asked an effort. Mainly the ones who got difficult jobs... These specific folks didn't get enough consideration/ adaptation in the making of this reform btw.

Plus let's not even mention a current minister admitting that this law would from his government would be disadvantageous for a part of french women indeed... Or¬†the lies¬†from the government about new rights the bill would bring to many when after verifications from experts & journalists it would only be available a limited number of beneficiaries in reality... I STOP THERE OR WE'RE THERE FOREVER! ūüėÜ

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I mean there are reasons why the whole country is against it, we are not just mad for the sake of it. This is not a democracy anymore, at this point the government is just telling us that ours opinion on our lives in our own country doesn't matter. French people said no, that's it. 
And to say that we used to ironically call Macron "the monarch" :yennefer:

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Macron is not behaving like a president, he's so disconected from how people live everyday life and he's craving of totalitarian power. 

The best would have been making people vote for this reform. That's democracy. He has settled a atmosphere of authoritarian power. which is wrong. 

He should not forget general French history. French people are known to be violent and revolutionary when their rights are flouted. 

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9 minutes ago, monketsharona said:

Macron is not behaving like a president, he's so disconected from how people live everyday life and he's craving of totalitarian power. 

The best would have been making people vote for this reform. That's democracy. He has settled a atmosphere of authoritarian power. which is wrong. 

He should not forget general French history. French people are known to be violent and revolutionary when their rights are flouted. 

At this point its his ego vs the people, he will never allow ours voices to be heard, he already knows he will lost anyway. He constantly showed how contempt and condescending he is toward french people. He is well aware that people didn't vote for him during the last election, it was a vote against the far right. 

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