Reality 65,739 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, River said: Just my honest opinion is that Margotâs Harley is the worst adaptation in the DC universe (comics/movies/cartoons etc.) Really??  Margot's Harley is like one of the very few redeeming things about the DCEU for me đđ¤đš Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 90,914 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Reality said: Really??  Margot's Harley is like one of the very few redeeming things about the DCEU for me Well compare to the the rest if the DCEU, then yes she was the best thing there but itâs to be the best among the worst. I felt they didnât catch the idea and complexity behind the Harley a character and just made a âclownish-like free spirited psychotic girlâ character and call her Harley, without digging much about her as a whole story. Even the cartoon gives much more depth to this version of Harley. Je ne parle pas français but I can padam if you like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Dojo said: misogynistic, patriarchal fantasies we will not be watching or supporting this project ? Itâs a movie sir.. Also even tho itâs a movie this abusive situation is the reality of MANY women out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,365 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, Regina George said: ? Itâs a movie sir.. Also even tho itâs a movie this abusive situation is the reality of MANY women out there. i know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 29,409 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 hours ago, River said: Well compare to the the rest if the DCEU, then yes she was the best thing there but itâs to be the best among the worst. I felt they didnât catch the idea and complexity behind the Harley a character and just made a âclownish-like free spirited psychotic girlâ character and call her Harley, without digging much about her as a whole story. Even the cartoon gives much more depth to this version of Harley. Thatâs true the new Harley cartoon is also really great. Itâs comedic but thereâs still a serious arc and character development for Harley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roronoa 6,324 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Regina George said: ? Itâs a movie sir.. Also even tho itâs a movie this abusive situation is the reality of MANY women out there. I think @Dojo was just making a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy 11,664 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Ah thank you for this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality 65,739 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 16 hours ago, River said: Well compare to the the rest if the DCEU, then yes she was the best thing there but itâs to be the best among the worst. I felt they didnât catch the idea and complexity behind the Harley a character and just made a âclownish-like free spirited psychotic girlâ character and call her Harley, without digging much about her as a whole story. Even the cartoon gives much more depth to this version of Harley. I felt like they delved deeper into the complexities of the character with Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad, but I can sorta see what you mean; they could've gone farther. I think FoliĂŠ a Deux is going to be a great character study/exploration for Harley, similar to what they did with Joker in the first movie. Gaga's definitely not going to be playing the "clownish free spirited psychotic girlâ. It's going to have a lot more nuance, which I think should be exciting. đđ¤đš Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helxig 39,511 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Dojo said: misogynistic, patriarchal fantasies we will not be watching or supporting this project  6 hours ago, Stephen said: Whatâs the point of art if it doesnât reflect life? Abuse is unfortunately real and a character rising above that can be inspirational. Harleyâs story has a happy ending.  Exactly. Movies are supposed to tell stories. Some stories are not happy ones, and it's important that those stories are told too. As long as it is being framed that the relationship is toxic, and not framed in a way that makes it 'desirable', which I'm sure they won't do I'll be myself until they fĹŤcking close the coffin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenWonder 3,074 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Thank you for this! It was so informative. I know nothing - and I mean nothing - about comic books. So this was kick a** for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 10,357 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 8 hours ago, River said: I agree that she may not play âHarleyâ but a character based on her. Just to add that there are 3 (or even more) active Jokers in the DC universe so one Joker and his âHarleyâ is not canceling the other but completing the Joker mystery. Just my honest opinion is that Margotâs Harley is the worst adaptation in the DC universe (comics/movies/cartoons etc.) That I chalk up to writing more than her acting imo. Sheâs yet to get a script thatâs up to par with what she can bring to the character imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 16,954 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 I will not watch ASIB ever again. It promotes alcoholism and public urination. Donât even get me started on House of Gucci. It promotes buying ugly expensive clothes. In fact, I wonât be watching any movie anymore because they all have a central conflict as a plot and I donât support problems or conflicts!!1!1!1Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger 174 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 The thing that interests me most about Gaga's portrayal is the possibility that it will be mutually dysfunctional, where both characters bring out the best and worst in each other and ultimately rely on each other to progress in whatever their missions are. I don't consider the Joker and Harley's union to be glorification of abuse, it's just a story. And if Gaga does it right she could be the Heath Ledger of Harley Quinns, trailblazing an endlessly replicated portrayal that film critics will be studying for decades to come, because I truly think it's possible to have the Joker and Harley together and not make it about the toxicity, but rather what they bring out in each other and how they elevate one another. Not to mention the fact Joaquin Phoneix's Joker doesn't show much sign of being an abuser, rather just a neurotic man driven to violence by societal corruption. Harley could be of that same affinity, easily. As for Gaga actually portraying her, I think it's safe to say (from her following a Harley Quinn role-play account on Twitter) that it's Harley in spirit even if they use a different name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 18,987 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, tomsches said: I will not watch ASIB ever again. It promotes alcoholism and public urination. Donât even get me started on House of Gucci. It promotes buying ugly expensive clothes. In fact, I wonât be watching any movie anymore because they all have a central conflict as a plot and I donât support problems or conflicts!!1!1!1 Thanks for speaking up about that. I started urinating everywhere in public ever since I saw the movie, I can see that people are embarrassed but I don't know how to do it differently anymore You popped my heart seams, all my bubble dreams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 16,954 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Oriane said: Thanks for speaking up about that. I started urinating everywhere in public ever since I saw the movie, I can see that people are embarrassed but I don't know how to do it differently anymore Same. I can now only urinate at award shows. Itâs really a problem because it is causing my financial ruin. Do you know how expensive it is to travel everyday looking for a place where they are currently having an award show just so I can urinate? i think it started with my childhood trauma when I watched The sound of music and it promoted dead mothers. I havenât been able to hold it in ever since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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