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Colombia elects first leftist president


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He’s a Democratic Socialist, probably further left than AOC for context

I’m so happy for my country right now, can’t stop crying 

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47 minutes ago, Economy said:

This all sounds great but the user said he's MORE left than AOC.

 

I expected something very very extensive like 90% taxes (AOC essentially already proposed tax rates that would reach 80% to 85% essentially if State taxes are included)

I was that user. I explained in the post you quoted just now that since he self identified as a democratic socialist, coupled with the fact that he’s in a Latin American country, that he MAY be more to the left of AOC, but that further reflection upon his policies, that he’s not radically left wing.

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2 minutes ago, AbhainnTirim said:

I was that user. I explained in the post you quoted just now that since he self identified as a democratic socialist, coupled with the fact that he’s in a Latin American country, that he MAY be more to the left of AOC, but that further reflection upon his policies, that he’s not radically left wing.

Makes sense.

 

Nah what u explained in description sounds totally reasonable

 

When u said more left than AOC I'm imagining 90% tax rates, very restrictive regulations in every aspect of business etc

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On 6/20/2022 at 2:53 AM, Emvee said:

The CIA must be working overtime these days with Chile, Mexico, and now Colombia with social Democratic administrations. 

Chile’s social democrats can’t be compared to any other Latin American socialist or socialist inclined government/ parties, except for maybe Uruguay. chiles democratic socialists have never picked up weapons meant to kill. I can go into heavy detail, but I don’t want to write an essay about it rn. 

just a friendly fyi 

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49 minutes ago, Economy said:

Makes sense.

 

Nah what u explained in description sounds totally reasonable

 

When u said more left than AOC I'm imagining 90% tax rates, very restrictive regulations in every aspect of business etc

AOC isn’t extremely left wing at all. She’s comparable to many center left politicians across the world. Not sure why AOC is a baseline for how leftist someone is. AOC’s voting record can even be considered center-right at times. She has literally voted to expand the military and give money to Israel recently. 

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1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

AOC isn’t extremely left wing at all. She’s comparable to many center left politicians across the world. Not sure why AOC is a baseline for how leftist someone is. AOC’s voting record can even be considered center-right at times. She has literally voted to expand the military and give money to Israel recently. 

I guess to be fair I don't know in detail all of her proposals or her general voting history

 

I do know she wanted a 70% income tax rate (which with State Taxes would make the total 80% to 85% depending on the State). That is higher than the rate any democracy has. Even Scandinavian top rate taxes aren't that high

 

Also there's a lot for crap to drag and fix about the corporate world but her wording and tone would almost suggest she doesn't want those businesses to even exist and hates them or something

 

That's what I always pictured her being far left

 

Also I dunno how much voting alone says. Given sometimes compromises are necessary (because other stuff may be included in a package u want to pass) and sometimes it's a yes or no. It's not like when u vote ur exact idea of what u think is fair goes thru

 

I could be wrong but didn't many increases to military get approved with conditions for other stuff in return for support? Couldn't that be the reason she voted for increase in military?

 

Feel free to correct me, my knowledge of AOC is fragmentary to a few policies I heard her speak about and some interviews

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41 minutes ago, Neroneau said:

Chile’s social democrats can’t be compared to any other Latin American socialist or socialist inclined government/ parties, except for maybe Uruguay. chiles democratic socialists have never picked up weapons meant to kill. I can go into heavy detail, but I don’t want to write an essay about it rn. 

just a friendly fyi 

I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’m pretty sure Mexico’s AMLO and this new Colombian president are not violent actors either. These aren’t “revolutionary socialists” hence the name “democratic socialist” or social democrats. 
 

My main point is that it’s all the same to United States, who would rather have Latin America completely liberalize and privatize itself to American corporations.

The narrative is ALWAYS that if there’s even just a little bit of protectionism or regulation they’re automatically Venezuela or Cuba. It’s ludicrous. 

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6 hours ago, Economy said:

I guess to be fair I don't know in detail all of her proposals or her general voting history

 

I do know she wanted a 70% income tax rate (which with State Taxes would make the total 80% to 85% depending on the State). That is higher than the rate any democracy has. Even Scandinavian top rate taxes aren't that high

 

Also there's a lot for crap to drag and fix about the corporate world but her wording and tone would almost suggest she doesn't want those businesses to even exist and hates them or something

 

That's what I always pictured her being far left

 

Also I dunno how much voting alone says. Given sometimes compromises are necessary (because other stuff may be included in a package u want to pass) and sometimes it's a yes or no. It's not like when u vote ur exact idea of what u think is fair goes thru

 

I could be wrong but didn't many increases to military get approved with conditions for other stuff in return for support? Couldn't that be the reason she voted for increase in military?

 

Feel free to correct me, my knowledge of AOC is fragmentary to a few policies I heard her speak about and some interviews

No, you’re right it’s very nuanced. The thing is it’s very different when you look at what a politician SAYS and what they actually DO/VOTE. 

AOC is “far left” in US standards but pretty center-left otherwise. 

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6 hours ago, Emvee said:

I’m not an expert on the subject, but I’m pretty sure Mexico’s AMLO and this new Colombian president are not violent actors either. These aren’t “revolutionary socialists” hence the name “democratic socialist” or social democrats. 
 

My main point is that it’s all the same to United States, who would rather have Latin America completely liberalize and privatize itself to American corporations.

The narrative is ALWAYS that if there’s even just a little bit of protectionism or regulation they’re automatically Venezuela or Cuba. It’s ludicrous. 

I would bet the current USA administration is happy with Borić (his opponent, Kast, was dumber and an actual neonazi, Bolsonaro is just a warm up if u we’re gonna meet this Kast man). Boric a serious man unlike AMLO. Petro used to be a guerrilla fighter, a man who has picked up arms against other Colombians. 

i do agree completely with ur last point.

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On 6/19/2022 at 6:47 PM, Corous said:

I’m so happy for my country right now, can’t stop crying :fatcat:

I'm Colombian too, and I cried with this victory. It's ur time now!! A new agenda's due. He's gonna be great!

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1 hour ago, Kandy life said:

I'm Colombian too, and I cried with this victory. It's ur time now!! A new agenda's due. He's gonna be great!

Manifesting the best for yall… that senate looks scary. Gusto could be yet another example of how leftist policies werq but I hope the government respects democracy more than their own big money donors

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4 hours ago, Neroneau said:

Bolsonaro is just a warm up

People take Bolsonaro more seriously than they should. He's utterly incompetent and stupid as well. He's unable to do simple politician tasks, and everything he defends is just for show as he constantly changes it. Like, you'd be freaked out of how dumb this man is:deadbanana:

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Just now, NicoB said:

People take Bolsonaro more seriously than they should. He's utterly incompetent and stupid as well. He's unable to do simple politician tasks, and everything he defends is just for show as he constantly changes it. Like, you'd be freaked out of how dumb this man is:deadbanana:

Like, nobody is afraid of him becoming dictatorial or authoritarian because all know how incompetent, stupid an d coward he is :rip:

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8 hours ago, NicoB said:

Like, nobody is afraid of him becoming dictatorial or authoritarian because all know how incompetent, stupid an d coward he is :rip:

That’s super good news! 
In Chile we were kinda holding our breath :laughga:

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