SadBoi808 844 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) Bella has become the Katniss Everdeen for Palestine. Her mockingjay era edit: jk she deleted the post Edited May 7 by SadBoi808 Link to post Share on other sites
KORG 3,261 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 53 minutes ago, InTheCloset said: Exactly. Yet some people here vehemently defend Israel. Because religion. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Dolev 796 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 29 minutes ago, iamlost481516 said: El oh el. Seems like all I read on this site is people bashing Israel. I'm shocked that this was posted without any context. 3 Israeli people were killed with an Axe last night in Tel Aviv. Did anyone pay attention to the terrorist attacks that Palestinian extremists have committed over the past two months???? 19 people have been killed... https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamas-media-campaign-urges-attacks-on-jews-by-palestinians-in-israel-and-west-bank-11651511641 thanks!! i’m so glad someone still see the israeli side 2 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites
dit 38,383 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 45 minutes ago, iamlost481516 said: El oh el. Seems like all I read on this site is people bashing Israel. I'm shocked that this was posted without any context. 3 Israeli people were killed with an Axe last night in Tel Aviv. Did anyone pay attention to the terrorist attacks that Palestinian extremists have committed over the past two months???? 19 people have been killed... https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamas-media-campaign-urges-attacks-on-jews-by-palestinians-in-israel-and-west-bank-11651511641 so because some Palestinians commit acts of terror on Israelis this means Palestinians must submit and have collective punishment placed on them? Additionally, land theft and ILLEGAL annexations are never justifiable. NEVER. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Melancholia 9,101 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 i'll never understand the constant need to compare. you can criticise one thing without comparing it to another. israel is not russia and palestine is not ukraine, because they're different geopolitical situations with different nuances and circumstances. the comparison literally does nothing. it does not help anyone. it's been all over ukraine too, constant comparisons to the holocaust or other historical events. regardless of what you think or why, there is simply no need to make comparisons, because it really does look like you're going 'look these dead people are exactly the same as these other dead people because both were killed by a generic bad guy', when these situations have FAR more depth and nuance to them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Dennis 2,649 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, GAGASEXUAL said: Israel has been doing what Russia is doing to Ukraine for years to Palestine. I can't believe how blind people can be. please don't equate the two. It's an insult to Ukranians before anyone else. Yes what Israel is doing here is bad, but nowhere on the level of what's happening in Ukraine. Russia probably kils in a few hours, more palestinians that are killed by Israel in YEARS. Edited May 6 by Dennis 1 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
alsemanche 42,063 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 8 minutes ago, Dennis said: please don't equate the two. It's an insult to Ukranians before anyone else. Yes what Israel is doing here is bad, but nowhere on the level of what's happening in Ukraine. Russia probably kils in a few hours, more palestinians that are killed by Israel in YEARS. This has got to be the worst take I've seen about this whole thing Soft, soothing, and succulent 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GAGASEXUAL 1,072 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 13 minutes ago, Dennis said: please don't equate the two. It's an insult to Ukranians before anyone else. Yes what Israel is doing here is bad, but nowhere on the level of what's happening in Ukraine. Russia probably kils in a few hours, more palestinians that are killed by Israel in YEARS. This must be a joke 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dennis 2,649 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 24 minutes ago, GAGASEXUAL said: This must be a joke It isn't. You're doing a dangerous false moral equivalence. Yes Israel's response is sometimes disproportional, but these facts must not be disregarded also. And please don't compare Palestine to Ukraine. 1. Ukranians did not elect an extremist political party that calls for the extinction of the Russian state like Gaza did. 2. Ukrainians were not launching rockets into Russian territory. 3. Ukranians do not have an extremist religious leadership that is repressive and bans all rights including gay and women rights, which makes it harder for Israel to co-exist with that type of political leadership. 4. The Israeli army does not normalize and condone the rape and torture of palestinian civilians like the russians do. 5. The Israeli army did not engage in mass civilian targeting that resulted in 90% of a big city being wiped out after a few days like the Russians did in Mariupol among other places. 6. The Israelis are not constantly talking of using nukes on Palestinians like the Russians are. I oppose the palestinian-israeli war wholeheartedly. But both sides share the blame here. So as I said, you can condemn Israeli's actions. But when you compare them to Russia's atrocities it's insulting to Ukranians. Because you're downplaying the unprecedented human suffering they're going through, with a scale that was NOT witnessed anywhere else since WW2 atrocities. Not all wars are the same in terms of damage and atrocities. So don't oversimplify the issue. Edited May 6 by Dennis 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites
InTheCloset 5,308 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 (edited) 10 hours ago, iamlost481516 said: El oh el. Seems like all I read on this site is people bashing Israel. I'm shocked that this was posted without any context. 3 Israeli people were killed with an Axe last night in Tel Aviv. Did anyone pay attention to the terrorist attacks that Palestinian extremists have committed over the past two months???? 19 people have been killed... https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamas-media-campaign-urges-attacks-on-jews-by-palestinians-in-israel-and-west-bank-11651511641 What about what it has been doing for the past 54 years? Edited May 7 by InTheCloset Im in love with Nate Jacobs and i have never ever been happier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
InTheCloset 5,308 Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 9 hours ago, SadBoi808 said: Ballet Hadid has become the Katniss Everdeen for Palestine. Her mockingjay era Bella just deleted the post…. Sad Im in love with Nate Jacobs and i have never ever been happier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Mendes 1,386 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 8 hours ago, Dennis said: please don't equate the two. It's an insult to Ukranians before anyone else. Yes what Israel is doing here is bad, but nowhere on the level of what's happening in Ukraine. Russia probably kils in a few hours, more palestinians that are killed by Israel in YEARS. You can't be serious 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dennis 2,649 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mr Mendes said: You can't be serious It's the reality. 3,3k civilians were killed this year in just 2 months (not even counting the soldiers). Compare that to the 44 palestinians that died so far in the riots this year (and 15 israelis because people seem to forget that they are being killed too). It's very insensitive to compare the two. You can support Palestine but don't equate two atrocities that aren't even close in scale. Edited May 7 by Dennis 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
alsemanche 42,063 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 8 hours ago, Dennis said: It isn't. You're doing a dangerous false moral equivalence. Yes Israel's response is sometimes disproportional, but these facts must not be disregarded also. And please don't compare Palestine to Ukraine. 1. Ukranians did not elect an extremist political party that calls for the extinction of the Russian state like Gaza did. 2. Ukrainians were not launching rockets into Russian territory. 3. Ukranians do not have an extremist religious leadership that is repressive and bans all rights including gay and women rights, which makes it harder for Israel to co-exist with that type of political leadership. 4. The Israeli army does not normalize and condone the rape and torture of palestinian civilians like the russians do. 5. The Israeli army did not engage in mass civilian targeting that resulted in 90% of a big city being wiped out after a few days like the Russians did in Mariupol among other places. 6. The Israelis are not constantly talking of using nukes on Palestinians like the Russians are. I oppose the palestinian-israeli war wholeheartedly. '. So as I said, you can condemn Israeli's actions. But when you compare them to Russia's atrocities it's insulting to Ukranians. Because you're downplaying the unprecedented human suffering they're going through, with a scale that was NOT witnessed anywhere else since WW2 atrocities. Not all wars are the same in terms of damage and atrocities. So don't oversimplify the issue. Congrats you somehow managed to make it worse I'm not saying we should be comparing Ukraine to Palestine, I don't agree with that either. But saying the comparison is "insulting" to Ukraine is f*cked up. And now you're throwing blame on Palestinians.... I won't even bother engaging beyond this, but lemme reply to some points about Israel that are clearly based in lack of knowledge: -"Yes Israel's response is sometimes disproportional": there's no "response", there's aggression. Zionists are never responding, they started the colonial process and they're continuing, but they love to frame it as a reaction to take the blame away from them -"Ukranians did not elect an extremist political party that calls for the extinction of the Russian state like Gaza did.": the Israeli state is illegitimate and should not even exist to begin with, and the real extremist party is the Zionist one. I have my opinions about the Palestinian government, but portraying it as an extremist one because it doesn't accept the presence of a colonial, genocidal power taking over its land is not it. And armed resistance against that power is valid and needed. -"The Israeli army does not normalize and condone the rape and torture of palestinian civilians like the russians do.": it literally does, and we have endless instances of torture and violence and rape against Palestinians. Literally where were you last year when the IDF was murdering civilians and destroying their homes in Sheikh Jarrah? Did we already forget about that? (not that it's the only instance where this happened) -"Ukrainians were not launching rockets into Russian territory. ": true, Palestinians are, and rightfully so. -"The Israeli army did not engage in mass civilian targeting that resulted in 90% of a big city being wiped out after a few days like the Russians did in Mariupol among other places.": And? Have you heard of the Nakba of 1948? And of every single instance of genocide, dispossession, and expulsion of Palestians from their villages and cities so that settlers can take over? -"But both sides share the blame here": Absolutely not. One 'side' is colonizing a land by force and another 'side' is resisting it in all means available. Yeah I'm all for not comparing the two. But I'm absolutely not here for downplaying the Palestinian struggle the way you're doing, and I'm absolutely not here for this narrative that 100% insulting to Palestinians by shifting blame to them and engaging in a harmful and false depiction of their reality. And let's not forget the duration of what Israel has been doing. Edited May 7 by alsemanche Soft, soothing, and succulent 5 Link to post Share on other sites
SadBoi808 844 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 38 minutes ago, InTheCloset said: Bella just deleted the post…. Sad u werent joking.. i- Link to post Share on other sites
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