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Biden: “I’m not Bernie Sanders. I’m not a socialist”


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Meat
9 minutes ago, Jay23 said:

“Vote for joe. He’s a good person!” - Lady Gaga ( 2020 ) 😂

And he is a good person. Your point? 

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imnotyourbabe10

I’m a “Bernie Bro” (:mark:). The only reason I voted for Biden/Harris was to get Trump out. I was hopeful but now I think we are screwed. I see this time as a lull before a more competent Trump comes to power.  

What did we expect from a capitalist and a cop as Prez and Veep  :fthis:

Hopefully we’ll see collective class consciousness raising and an uprising. Sad to see it hasn’t even happened in the context of the pandemic, racial tensions, healthcare, school debt, etc. It really is the working class vs. the ruling elite. The cult of the individual within capitalism has truly ****ed us up.
 

If we get a competent fascist in 2024—good luck. :saladga:

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I'd be interested to know what Biden defines as "socialism" and why he's against it. Because Socialism as I understand, is not some form of the evil idea of communism. Socialism is not an idea which destroys the infrastructure of capitalism in countries, or how that operates. Socialism, does come with some restructuring of significant morally responsible issues, such as universal healthcare for all, as well as the building of public housing, so no one is left to the mercy of a soulless machine, or one so built on an idea of capital that it squeezes too harshly on people's abilities to even get general access to such things. It astounds me so much, what American's pay at the hospitals and such.

 

There are plenty of people in integral systems which have built their lives around it's system of capital, and enjoy benefits of that, and would feel threatened against the idea that this capital notion is being held against them in other ways, just in the way they do, where if they had to meet demand for their costs of things in other ways, it would seem insincere for it not to come from people in the ways they are used to.

 

And I don't know why people want to pivot it on some scale. Do you think someone dying from a bill they can't afford for healthcare, is more or less left or right, as some kind of scaled notion toward compensating for that in political means, than someone facing a lockdown of an area because of a spread of covid or the like. Protesting against lockdown that is mandated for health reasons... is not more "right" (especially not in what I'd think correct, but mainly this scale idea). It's all contextual. Just like how trying to protect the environment, should not be something that is on this scale, where it's a leftist idea, or something. If you're arguing that morality of a politically integritous nature, should be divided on a scale where it is a justifiable opinion to classify it as belonging to a different camp, you're not honouring politics. You're not honouring the fact that, yes, there will be people on different sides of an issue, with a reason to protect a different interest.

 

So, here Socialism is considered analogous with Left, and perhaps such terms in themselves are meaningless, as I would believe. When a questioner asks Biden something like this, which seeks to divide himself from his political agendas of a contextual nature, and lambast things into a divided opinion of a general morality of taking political motivation, into separated camps or schools of thoughts that divide each other... I think he should just tell the questioner to shut up and stop with the spin politics. He's getting drawn in to appeasement of a larger mass. And you do have to balance that to do the job. It is careful to not throw in with this moralist "leftist" socialist idea, of radically updating systems based on an appeal to a collectivist supportive morality, if you want to have people feel secure that the systems are not going to be broken apart with over-managed shoddy workmanship. But the truth is, even as he spiels numbers here. Many people are at work on all the things. He should be more social. He doesn't get anything for the people of his nation if he encourages the capitalist screw the poor, take and get as much as you can and hoard it for your own, idea. It's not even a smarter premise for building a stronger cultural and resource network, because it hinders the flow. Biggest argument against Socialism being that it would create a bureaucratic apathy, without need for pursuit of competitive growth, at least so is lied, but the truth is it's all built in with divisions and initiatives, as well as faith in people's personal investment in their different specific focuses.

 

It aint about left and right, and don't let some dumb journalist jockey tell you it is. I made a film to dispel this idea, ridiculous as my film might be, to try and say that the scale is decontextualising and manipulative.

 

So, who's/what's cooking?
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Gabi001

I'm always amazed how are Americans scared of "socialism", when it works in every European country, and most of them are among happiest people in the world. 

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He's closer to a Republican than to Bernie. He has made it clear he is mire interested in working with Republicans than with progressives. "Not Trump" is not going to cut it on 2024

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Cheeseandgaga

Leftists: Biden believes in science, is trying to get radical bills passed in the house/senate, but isn’t Sanders so apparently he’s just as bad as r*pist, lying, terrorist Trump. OK. Hope this country goes to sh*t 

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Cheeseandgaga
5 hours ago, Meat said:

America is not ready for a politician like Bernie. It’s either centre right democrats or Donald Trump. 

Seriously why are you the only one with common sense here

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Cheeseandgaga
2 hours ago, rojo said:

He's closer to a Republican than to Bernie. He has made it clear he is mire interested in working with Republicans than with progressives. "Not Trump" is not going to cut it on 2024

Can u point out how he’s a republican? You mean he 1) believes in Covid and vaccinations and doesn’t call Fauci names? 2) wanted to pass a revolutionary infrastructure plan 

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3 hours ago, Gabi001 said:

I'm always amazed how are Americans scared of "socialism", when it works in every European country, and most of them are among happiest people in the world. 

Because in American textbooks socialism is defined the exact same as communism. 

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22 minutes ago, Cheeseandgaga said:

Can u point out how he’s a republican? You mean he 1) believes in Covid and vaccinations and doesn’t call Fauci names? 2) wanted to pass a revolutionary infrastructure plan 

Biden has a very long center-right legislative record. He aligned with more republicans on literally everything relating to domestic legislation and foreign policy. 🤷‍♂️

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Cheeseandgaga
17 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Biden has a very long center-right legislative record. He aligned with more republicans on literally everything relating to domestic legislation and foreign policy. 🤷‍♂️

Center right ≠ today’s Republicans 

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TortureMeOnReplay
15 minutes ago, Cheeseandgaga said:

Can u point out how he’s a republican? You mean he 1) believes in Covid and vaccinations and doesn’t call Fauci names? 2) wanted to pass a revolutionary infrastructure plan 

Probably being the Father of Mass Incarceration. His inability to address the leasing of new fracking lands. His "promise" to forgive all tuition-related student loan debt for public University students, and tasking the justice department to complete a review that should have been done last summer. Not necessarily what makes him Republican, but what makes him a terrible leader and liar. One of his biggest campaign promises was getting both sides to the table but he can't even get his own party in line. And let's not act like he has no tools to whip votes. 

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TortureMeOnReplay
3 minutes ago, Cheeseandgaga said:

Center right ≠ today’s Republicans 

The right getting more extremist doesn't change the standard on what a republican and Democrat are. Biden is still a republican. 

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HuffsAhoy
1 hour ago, Cheeseandgaga said:

Leftists: Biden believes in science, is trying to get radical bills passed in the house/senate, but isn’t Sanders so apparently he’s just as bad as r*pist, lying, terrorist Trump. OK. Hope this country goes to sh*t 

The sooner you realize Biden is a complete and utter FAILURE, a total EMBARSSMENT, and completely UNFIT to hold any public office, the better your life will be. 

You remind me that it's such a wonderful thing to love.
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StarstruckIllusion
54 minutes ago, Cheeseandgaga said:

Center right ≠ today’s Republicans 

Today’s republicans are psychotic. You using them as the floor is not the serve you think it is…

 

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