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Is AOC president material?  

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  1. 1. Is AOC president material?

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Enigma
40 minutes ago, Reputation King said:

Guess I’m right wing then… and since I’m right wing that must mean I love people like McConnell and Donald Trump. In  all seriousness I’m Not sure why you’re so determined to put down others with different views as you. It’s not as black and white as you think 

Because I want society to move forward and I’m tired of the side who’s never once been right acting like they’re valid.

Have your “different views” about ice cream flavour and I won’t be so passionate. But anyone who’s on the political right is just WRONG. 

“it’s not as black and white as you think” sure babe there’s different shades of wrong, like Mitch McConnell dark wrong and Joe Biden light wrong. It’s still all wrong.

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Nah, she’s too far left for me and many other Americans 

Yes the only answer is yes - impeach Biden immediately and replace him w her now /closethread 

Who am I to argue with democracy?  my hands are tied Lo siento to everyone else

Enigma
29 minutes ago, Economy said:

Well that sounds conceeded

Keep acting like the right is valid if you want to. You literally can’t name one single good thing they’ve done so that’s delusional, but freedom of thought I guess

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Enigma
17 minutes ago, Reputation King said:

I was just saying that moderate Democrats aren’t right wing. And just kinda saying if it’s that black and white to this person then they probably think that all right wing people support people like 45 and McConnell 

“Democrats aren’t right wing” they’re liberal... which is on the right of the political spectrum, lol.

Obviously if I’m calling you, a moderate Democrat, right-wing (which is just a fact - but you keep whining about nuance so I’ll give you the nuance : you’re center-right -), I’m aware you don’t have to support Trump to be right-wing? You’re literally a DEMOCRAT. Critical thinking please?

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Economy
5 hours ago, Enigma said:

You called her “too left” when she’s a liberal, aka center-right. You could argue she’s center-left, but if that’s too left for you that makes you either right wing or a centrist... which... is just wrong.

Many of her policies go further left than even most scandinavian Countries and u call that Centre Right???? :duck:

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Aphroditus
4 minutes ago, Economy said:

Many of her policies go further left than even most scandinavian Countries and u call that Centre Right???? :duck:

Like? 

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Economy
35 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Keep acting like the right is valid if you want to. You literally can’t name one single good thing they’ve done so that’s delusional, but freedom of thought I guess

Im not defending most right policies. Im questioning the side effects of going as far as she wants to go theres a difference

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Economy
Just now, Aphroditus said:

Like? 

The tax rates she proposes on the Nation for example. 

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Aphroditus
3 minutes ago, Economy said:

The tax rates she proposes on the Nation for example. 

Can you give numbers? And on which tax payers? 
Even if she proposes that, do u think US politicians will let it pass? No. However this will push the boundary towards a more fair distribution of wealth. The Us is so broken that frankly no other way would work than trying to push more left. It work with Trump pushing for worse far right policies not all went through but it pushed the whole spectrum to the right. 
 

Being centrist in the US is helping the right, whether they are right wing leaning or left. 

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I think she will be one day. She is so young still. I feel like one day she will be much more respected by her own generation. For now she still has to deal with a bunch of blowback by whiney uneducated gen Xers and Boomers.

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Enigma
41 minutes ago, Economy said:

Many of her policies go further left than even most scandinavian Countries and u call that Centre Right???? :duck:

Where lol?

EDIT: I just saw

I’m calling moderate Democrats center-right to right. As I said you could argue AOC is anywhere between center-right and center-left. Sure, she’s more ideologically left, but realistically she has to tone down everything so much to fit the US that it goes back to liberalism.

True leftism is socialism and more. Centre-left is social democracy. Taxing corporations is not a socialist thing, it’s at most a social Democrat thing. So she’s AT BEST a center-left politician, and if that’s “too left” for you, then newsflash : you’re on the right (or a centrist but those don’t even get to be taken seriously lol)

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Economy
24 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

Can you give numbers? And on which tax payers? 
Even if she proposes that, do u think US politicians will let it pass? No. However this will push the boundary towards a more fair distribution of wealth. The Us is so broken that frankly no other way would work than trying to push more left. It work with Trump pushing for worse far right policies not all went through but it pushed the whole spectrum to the right. 
 

Being centrist in the US is helping the right, whether they are right wing leaning or left. 

Didnt she propose 70% income tax rates (which in many States would bring the total to over 80%)... and i know when Bernie proposed 35% Corporate tax rates and with less loopholes she agreed which are also higher than just about anywhere in Europe

 

Im not sure what her opinion on the wealth tax was but if its simmilar to Bernie (since they often advocated simmilar numbers im thinking she also supported this? Not sure) is also something most Nationd dont even do. I think it was only France and 2 other Nations

 

But a little off topic, if the US spent a lot less on military that alone would make tax rates like this not even necessairy to pay for these social benefits

 

Because the US wastes so much on military it cannot pay for these social programs without a higher tax rate than other Nations

 

For example here in Canada most of our main tax rates (Corporate taxes, income taxes, capital gains etc) are actually simmilar to the US despite the misconception we pay much higher taxes. We still pay for healthcare and more benefits than the US without huge deficits

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Economy
2 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Where lol?

Norway Corporate Tax Rate: 22%

Sweden Corporate Tax Rate: 21.4%

Finland Corporate Tax Rate: 20%

Canada Corporate tax rate: 15% (like USA we are highly decentralized, add Provinces total is more like 26%)

France corporate rate: 26% (used to be higher tho)

 

Norway upper tax bracket: 38%

Canada: 33% (50% on highest Provinces)

Sweden: 57%

Finland: 62%

France: 45%

 

AOC proposed 70% for income taxes and supported Bernie when he said 35% Corporate. Not gonna search up every country on earth but so far literally every country ive searched the main taxes she proposes or supports are higher than them

 

 

 

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Aphroditus
12 minutes ago, Economy said:

Didnt she propose 70% income tax rates (which in many States would bring the total to over 80%)... and i know when Bernie proposed 35% Corporate tax rates and with less loopholes she agreed which are also higher than just about anywhere in Europe

 

Im not sure what her opinion on the wealth tax was but if its simmilar to Bernie (since they often advocated simmilar numbers im thinking she also supported this? Not sure) is also something most Nationd dont even do. I think it was only France and 2 other Nations

 

But a little off topic, if the US spent a lot less on military that alone would make tax rates like this not even necessairy to pay for these social benefits

 

Because the US wastes so much on military it cannot pay for these social programs without a higher tax rate than other Nations

 

For example here in Canada most of our main tax rates (Corporate taxes, income taxes, capital gains etc) are actually simmilar to the US despite the misconception we pay much higher taxes. We still pay for healthcare and more benefits than the US without huge deficits

I agree with you to some agree, but the whole US system is literally built on blood and war :smh: 

that aside, but do u think that these ideas will never see daylight regardless if she wants them or not. It doesn’t make her extreme left. Extreme left is someone asking to ban freedom  or ban religion or communism. The notion of extreme left is being pushed by the right and corporates in order to create mass fear of the left. 
While in fact non of these progressives are anywhere close to what most “centrists” are brainwashed to believe in.

Putting extreme right and left on the same plate is offensive. Comparing Trump and his allies who banned a whole sector of POC and openly racist, to the left who are trying to find ways to make the poor live regardless if the method is correct is very offensive   

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PartySick
8 hours ago, HuffsAhoy said:

Not in a million years, she's in too in your face and radical.

Disagree. Out of the whole "squad", I feel she's the most respectful and puts forth the best image.

Also, I don't really think her stances are "radical", they just appear that was against the US' conservative background.

Though I am of the personal opinion that presidents should be on the moderate side. I don't think her ideals are disqualifying but I'd question how effective she actually would be as president in the same way I questioned how effective Bernie would be. You have to compromise to get something done, otherwise you'll accomplish nothing while standing there saying "we should do this!!!" :deadbanana:

8 hours ago, HuffsAhoy said:

We need people like her to stay in congress because that kind of personality and work ethic is sorely needed there. Unlike so many dems, she doesn't bend over backwards to the establishment. I'd like to see her rise through the ranks and eventually replace Do-Nothing Nancy as Speaker :vegas:

Every but of this though? Tea :flower:

House Speaker AOC would have every Repugnant and timid Dems' balls in her purse :flower:

Then have Stacey Abrams run and win a GA senate seat and make her the senate majority leader :flower:

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