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Is AOC president material?  

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  1. 1. Is AOC president material?

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Aphroditus

Most of people saying no because she is “too far left” and in other arguments they say they are “left”. 
:flop: no wonder clowns keep getting elected in USA. Conservatives washed your brains so good that you are more afraid of the left (whatever that negatively means in your heads) than far right which is gaining momentum and living without consequences. 

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Nah, she’s too far left for me and many other Americans 

Yes the only answer is yes - impeach Biden immediately and replace him w her now /closethread 

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If Donald Trump was president material then even my dog is president material 

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Reputation King
4 hours ago, Enigma said:

Everyone on the right has always and will always be wrong about everything.

Ok but just cause I don’t support AOC doesn’t mean I’m on the right? I think you view politics as tooo black and white when it’s really not. 

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5 hours ago, Aphasic said:

Do you really think, honestly, that anyone in the world needs to have a wealth of 185 billion dollars (Bezos' approx net worth)? Like deep inside you do you really think is helpful to society to have 755 billionaires worldwide with a combined net worth of 13.1 trillion dollars? I know 40% is a lot but they would still remain obscenely wealthy is not like they'll start begging for money on the streets. I understand you think AOC policies/opinions are too much but so are the huge disavatanges of our current system. In my opinion you either do something that actually will change and help or don't try to "mildly" fix the issue because at the end that's mediocre and does nothing.

We have to accept that at times radical changes have to happen for positive things to come out. I.e. Martin Luther King didn't half ass worked to get things done, he went on full force because he knew that if change was going to come out of his fight he needed to be very clear: we won't tolerate disrespect and segregation and that won't be up for discussion. 

It's the same thing AOC is doing. She's not trying to make friends with corrupted politicians, she's trying to help the USA and get the best possible result for the majority (you know those who don't belong to the 1%). So she's being loud and clear with her message: Corporations must stop from taking advantage of USA Americans and she's not putting that up for discussion because facts speak for themselves, the system is one sided. 

But I understand too that just because someone disagrees with her it doesn't mean you don't want a positive change as well. 

Bruh u still didnt understand me at all. I been saying there needs to be changes. And i dont approve of those rediculous wealth gaps either

 

For like the 4th time just because i think AOC goes too far in many things doesnt mean i approve of the status quo either

 

And i never said individuals like that should pay only 40% taxes. I was talking about Corporate taxes. 

 

And i respectfully disagree with u about "mild". What i support is still a lot more reform than has been done in a long time

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14 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

Most of people saying no because she is “too far left” and in other arguments they say they are “left”. 
:flop: no wonder clowns keep getting elected in USA. Conservatives washed your brains so good that you are more afraid of the left (whatever that negatively means in your heads) than far right which is gaining momentum and living without consequences. 

Speak on it sis

Looks like the US will never have a decent president sadly because democrats are cowards

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Pennywise

I cannot believe people think AOC is "too far left" when she is, at BEST, a liberal - which is a few inches left of the center anyway :laughga:

The US is like a right-wing economy with left-pretending right wing social policies:poot:

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18 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

Most of people saying no because she is “too far left” and in other arguments they say they are “left”. 
:flop: no wonder clowns keep getting elected in USA. Conservatives washed your brains so good that you are more afraid of the left (whatever that negatively means in your heads) than far right which is gaining momentum and living without consequences. 

This just shows how new you are to politics. Just because your bubble is as far left as AOC does not mean you can project that onto the entire country. You're the one being delusional. AOC couldn't win a statewide race in New York or California, let alone the entire country. I would love for the country to be as far left as her, but only a delusional neophyte would think she could win any nationwide contest.

Only 23% of Americans have a favorable view of AOC:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/28/18285533/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-favorables-media

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alsemanche
1 minute ago, thehanyo said:

This just shows how new you are to politics. Just because your bubble is as far left as AOC does not mean you can project that onto the entire country. You're the one being delusional. AOC couldn't win a statewide race in New York or California, let alone the entire country. I would love for the country to be as far left as her, but only a delusional neophyte would think she could win any nationwide contest.

BUT the thread isn't about her chances of winning, it's about whether she's president material or not? And the reply is about how people think she isn't because she's too far left when she literally isn't. 

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thehanyo
1 minute ago, alsemanche said:

BUT the thread isn't about her chances of winning, it's about whether she's president material or not? And the reply is about how people think she isn't because she's too far left when she literally isn't. 

Doesn't "presidential material" presuppose that it's someone that could become president?

Also, perceptions in politics matter more than truth. In the United States, she is very much considered to the far left (In what world is "defunding the police" not far-left?). Where she is in the spectrum of European politics is immaterial to this discussion about US politics.

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alsemanche
Just now, thehanyo said:

Doesn't "presidential material" presuppose that it's someone that could become president?

idk that's not how I understood it, I thought of it in terms of qualities to be a good president rather than potential to be elected 

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thehanyo
1 minute ago, alsemanche said:

idk that's not how I understood it, I thought of it in terms of qualities to be a good president rather than potential to be elected 

Fair enough. In that case, I agree that she has the charisma, intelligence and compassion to be a good president.

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Enigma
2 hours ago, Reputation King said:

Ok but just cause I don’t support AOC doesn’t mean I’m on the right? I think you view politics as tooo black and white when it’s really not. 

You called her “too left” when she’s a liberal, aka center-right. You could argue she’s center-left, but if that’s too left for you that makes you either right wing or a centrist... which... is just wrong.

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Reputation King
1 minute ago, Enigma said:

You called her “too left” when she’s a liberal, aka center-right. You could argue she’s center-left, but if that’s too left for you that makes you either right wing or a centrist... which... is just wrong.

You can’t tell me my political views are wrong. Again, it’s not black and white… i already mentioned that there are some things AOC believes in that I actually agree with. I identify as a moderate Democrat which isn’t wrong. 

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monster4life231
3 hours ago, andreas85 said:

ACO isn't far-left or any kind of a radical either. That is just typical hysterical propaganda that right-wing medias keep spouting. In reality she is basically just supporting ideas that are common sense in every other western country. US mainstream policies are just so far-right that any even moderately leftist looks like an extremist.

I agree. The centre in the USA is on the right, so even centrists could be viewed as left wing. AOC is basically your standard European social democratic/labour party that supports a strong welfare state. I think in the context of the USA, Republicans and Democrats are both basically economically conservative, although there is a proportion of Democrats (such as AOC, Sanders, etc), that are more supportive of social democratic practises, hence why they often refer to Scandanavian models as being good models to emulate. Therefore, by American standards AOC may seem radical, but she's basically on the soft left who wants to reform capitalism to function better for workers and the marginalised. Although she's critical of capitalism, it doesn't seem that she wants to abolish it or replace it with socialism. Instead, she seems to be pursuing a type of mixed economy where a capitalist economy exists, but socialist inspired aspects also exist, such as a strong welfare state. Anyway, I'm ranting. Yeah, she isn't radical and she definitely is not far-left.

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monster4life231

This might be helpful. 

Personally, I would say that AOC is a social democrat, and therefore centre-left. I think that democratic socialists under revisionist marxism are left wing, whereas those adhering to classical marxism, especially orthodox marxists and anarchists are the far left. Therefore, I don't it's the right judgement to call AOC far-left, since she is neither an orthodox marxist, anarchist, or a communist.

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