Official Israel/Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[TasteLikeWhiskey 1,561]

2 hours ago, Bambino said:

Anyone being assaulted is unfortunate but this has nothing to do with Palestine though. 

Our actions are not without consequence. Being vehemently pro- Palestine without any caveat causes violence. Let's get a better way. 

Advocate peace.

[GagaSine 7,220]

1 minute ago, TasteLikeWhiskey said:

Our actions are not without consequence. Being vehemently pro- Palestine without any caveat causes violence. Let's get a better way. 

Advocate peace.

That is completely false.

[alsemanche 72,548]

10 minutes ago, TasteLikeWhiskey said:

Our actions are not without consequence. Being vehemently pro- Palestine without any caveat causes violence. Let's get a better way. 

Advocate peace.

The way y'all fully falling for exactly what Zionists are trying to do... Sure let's blame us for anti-Semitic crimes we condemn, that makes all the sense in the world. There's no "better way", it's total opposition to Israel or nothing. 

Also how is being fully pro-Palestine related to anti-Semitism exactly? Maybe address that with the people who are being anti-Semitic and violating Jews instead of telling people who are pro-Palestine to adapt their activism to that? 

[TasteLikeWhiskey 1,561]

1 minute ago, GagaSine said:

That is completely false.

Tell that to an innocent person being harrassed in RSA??!! 

[alsemanche 72,548]

9 minutes ago, lego said:

“I always wanted to be Israeli, and I couldn’t think of any other way to be more Israeli than to join the Army”

@Pennywise @alsemanche @GagaSine ⬇️

 

 

 

 

But I thought settlers were only very old people who came to Palestine ages ago!!!!!!  

Anyone who still thinks mass migrations and settler colonialism aren't still a very real issue is simply choosing to turn a blind eye. 

[TasteLikeWhiskey 1,561]

7 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

The way y'all fully falling for exactly what Zionists are trying to do... Sure let's blame us for anti-Semitic crimes we condemn, that makes all the sense in the world. There's no "better way", it's total opposition to Israel or nothing. 

I support your cause and share your frustration. I have repeatedly stated this. 

But you are advocating violence. It is causing other people harm that don't deserve it.

We should find another way to express our concerns. This clearly counter-productive. 

[alsemanche 72,548]

2 minutes ago, TasteLikeWhiskey said:

I support your cause and share your frustration. I have repeatedly stated this. 

But you are advocating violence. It is causing other people harm that don't deserve it.

We should find another way to express our concerns. This clearly counter-productive. 

Where am I advocating violence against Jews for being Jews? Did I ever state that? I said I am against Zionism and pro-decolonialism, which can only happen through violence against the colonizer, not against Jewish people around the world for being Jewish. My approach isn't the problem, it's the way it's being used as an excuse to be anti-Semitic by some people. What I and many others have isn't "concern", it's outright opposition to Zionism and the existence of a colonial, Zionist state.  But the discourse is being actively shifted toward anti-Semitism and away from the Palestinian cause, and actual anti-Semites are hopping on it. We are attempting to shift it back towards Palestine. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

10 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Where am I advocating violence against Jews for being Jews? Did I ever state that? I said I am against Zionism and pro-decolonialism, which can only happen through violence against the colonizer, not against Jewish people around the world for being Jewish. My approach isn't the problem, it's the way it's being used as an excuse to be anti-Semitic by some people. What I and many others have isn't "concern", it's outright opposition to Zionism and the existence of a colonial, Zionist state.  But the discourse is being actively shifted toward anti-Semitism and away from the Palestinian cause, and actual anti-Semites are hopping on it. We are attempting to shift it back towards Palestine. 

Israel is a Jewish state. It's destruction is anti-Semitism. Doesn't matter what you call it. You keep saying don't think like a Westerner but then you do the opposite when you talk about Israel like if it were a land based on religious freedom. 

 

[alsemanche 72,548]

2 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Israel is a Jewish state. It's destruction is anti-Semitism. Doesn't matter what you call it. You keep saying don't think like a Westerner but then you do the opposite when you talk about Israel like if it were a land based on religious freedom. 

 

the mental gymnastics lmao

[TasteLikeWhiskey 1,561]

18 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

pro-decolonialism, which can only happen through violence against the colonizer, 

Should I then be killed/violently removed for being born in RSA? 

[alsemanche 72,548]

4 minutes ago, TasteLikeWhiskey said:

Should I then be killed/violently removed for being born in RSA? 

Did you take part in colonizing the RSA and violently and completely opposed the presence of indigenous there while asserting the dominance of your own colonial state? If yes then the answer is clear as day

Colonialism and colonials need to go, that's all there is to it no matter how you flip it or how that happens.  

Falling into these ambiguous details of "is that specific individual part of the issue" is just mudding the real struggles of  Palestinians and not serving anyone other than the people who are oppressing them and we need to stop delving into them for no reason. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

37 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

But I thought settlers were only very old people who came to Palestine ages ago!!!!!!  

Anyone who still thinks mass migrations and settler colonialism aren't still a very real issue is simply choosing to turn a blind eye. 

So Palestine and Israel should not accept any immigrants whatsoever. They should build a beautiful wall. The most beautiful wall ever. 

Yeah, but Israeli's are the ones that are supposed think like Trump. 

I don't think all the far left liberals get it yet. But keep talking you guys. It's getting easier for them to understand which state has the dictatorship and which one has more liberal freedoms. 

[alsemanche 72,548]

14 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

So Palestine and Israel should not accept any immigrants whatsoever. They should build a beautiful wall. The most beautiful wall ever. 

Yeah, but Israeli's are the ones that are supposed think like Trump. 

I don't think all the far left liberals get it yet. But keep talking you guys. It's getting easier for them to understand which state has the dictatorship and which one has more liberal freedoms. 

ONCE AGAIN you literally twist and turn around our words just to extract something that you make up and fight us against it. Sure immigrants are moving into Israel and joining its army for fun, not because they support Zionism and want to see Palestinians dead. Nope, just for the hell of it they decided to go there, settle into Palestinian homes that were stolen from their owners, join the army that's doing the stealing and bombing. 

[alsemanche 72,548]

Next up: Zionists who originally mass migrated to Palestine and settled there were going on a summer vacation  

[TasteLikeWhiskey 1,561]

Just now, alsemanche said:

Did you take part in colonizing the RSA and violently and completely opposed the presence of indigenous there while asserting the dominance of your own colonial state? If yes then the answer is clear as day

Colonialism and colonials need to go, that's all there is to it no matter how you flip it or how that happens.  

Again, I agree with your disgust towards colonialism.

I am sure that my grandparents supported it (which is a shame). And my parents were the people benefiting from Apartheid (that is a bigger shame). I can't change any of that though. 

Still, your response does not validate any stance that violence is an answer