JohnnyVersace 8,494 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said: I mean, not really. The Fame was an era establishing herself as not your average blonde pop girl. It was about being outside of the box. The VMAs 2009 performance is the epitome of this. Singing a song about the paparazzi while reminding everyone what can happen to starts once their lives are robbed from them. Was it rebellious? In a way yeah, but it was more telling a story through a theatrical performance. The Fame Monster was kind of an extention of this. BTW was more about liberation and loving yourself for who you are. But the era wasn't that rebellious apart from a couple of moments where she was like "I'm gonna do me and wear my leather in downtown New York". But ARTPOP took it further with fashion, with her general attitude, and the way she presented herself during that era. People were wanting "TFMga" for ARTPOP, the one who sang Telephone, the one who was easy to read. And yet Gaga didn't allow that for ARTPOP. Her performances, her fashion, the wigs, the avant-garde pieces, the whole Abramovic stuff... she was doing things that were out of the box for Gaga. She was even more rebellious in this era. And I think that's why people didn't get it... and maybe the reason why Gaga couldn't explain it. You don't think BTW was rebellious? She literally put it all on the line for the LGBTQ community, ready to face the backlash. And in terms of fashion - the face horns, the egg, the latex, goo, I mean I could go on and on. And then the music itself was unlike anything of the time - drawing inspo from Springsteen, stadium rock, 80s/90s Madonna, Euro house. What you mention about AP is no different than her rebelling with every album cycle. Even Joanne is "rebellious" in her taking on the cowgirl persona. We've seen wigs, avant-garde fashion and art-inspiration for her entire career. I'd argue the most rebellious thing about ARTPOP was actually the Saint Laurent flannel and the inclusion of Jewel's N Drugs. My point is, every Gaga era is rebellious and against the grain. That's what her career was founded on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said: When you're having a baddie era, there needs to be an element of MESS, and Ms. Swift simply did not bring that. this i SUPER AGREE! there's have to be some messiness! some chaotic energy there Katy always had perfect eras too, even with Witness she delivered till the end, tour and everything For example, i think Dua will never have a messy era, she strikes me as this clean, perfectionist type like Taylor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said: You don't think BTW was rebellious? She literally put it all on the line for the LGBTQ community, ready to face the backlash. And in terms of fashion - the face horns, the egg, the latex, goo, I mean I could go on and on. And then the music itself was unlike anything of the time - drawing inspo from Springsteen, stadium rock, 80s/90s Madonna, Euro house. What you mention about AP is no different than her rebelling with every album cycle. Even Joanne is "rebellious" in her taking on the cowgirl persona. We've seen wigs, avant-garde fashion and art-inspiration for her entire career. I'd argue the most rebellious thing about ARTPOP was actually the Saint Laurent flannel and the inclusion of Jewel's N Drugs. My point is, every Gaga era is rebellious and against the grain. That's what her career was founded on. I agree with the bolded part. But I think it was more so evident in ARTPOP, and if anyone was to point out an era (who may/may not be a fan), I think they'd pick ARTPOP End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,494 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Dulo Peep said: this i SUPER AGREE! there's have to be some messiness! some chaotic energy there Katy always had perfect eras too, even with Witness she delivered till the end, tour and everything For example, i think Dua will never have a messy era, she strikes me as this clean, perfectionist type like Taylor Totally! I think if Dua had a baddie era, it'd be really clean and stylized like Reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadreMonster 2,584 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Blackout was and is a top notch darkish pop album Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 51 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said: Totally! I think if Dua had a baddie era, it'd be really clean and stylized like Reputation. you are on a roll today Johnny! exhuding bad bitxh energy and we love to see it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylucifer 4,772 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 reputation is my girl who got me into music in general, blackout was before my time 1989 (TV) is out NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasilisVas 4,635 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Blackout era is more iconic than anything Taylor has ever done in her entire career. I said what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELECTROHEART 6,422 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Obviously Britney's, it felt more authentic than the other desperate "Every night, a million hearts are breaking, but at least I know tonight I'm not the only one" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout19 9,190 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I mean look at my username Marilyn Monroe is my best friend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANiCURE 6 9,906 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Reputation as an album has like.. 3-4 badass songs 👀 The others are juste regular Taytay so Blackout is better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 43 minutes ago, Blackout19 said: I mean look at my username Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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