Better Day 5,766 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Patriotism bothers me. I’ve saw what it’s done to the UK with us leaving the EU. Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUtterfield 8 38,245 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeoz 7,814 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Miss Dolly said: Patriotism bothers me. I’ve saw what it’s done to the UK with us leaving the EU. Nationalism and patriotism are two different things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born This Way 1,575 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 No, I actually like it because she's patriotic but not complacent. She's always pushing for positive change. If she wasn't so passionate about using her platform to make meaningful impact, I'd be wary of it. But she is so I think it's great. Reset my mind's IP, delete what I don't need Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 9,694 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Miss Dolly said: Patriotism bothers me. I’ve saw what it’s done to the UK with us leaving the EU. I do wonder if it might be a cultural thing. I'm from the US but spent a significant time abroad as a child....patriotism in the US doesn't necessarily always have the hardcore nationalistic bent that it does in other countries. For example, even some (some, not all) progressives/far left people here often use patriotism as a way of defending progressive ideals (as in, to be truly patriotic we should do x, y, or z). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatboom 948 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Huh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 96,069 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 No because her patriotism isn't white supremacy and capitalism in disguise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 41,935 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Yea I ignore it bc she has little impact on politics either way and she’s literally been like this before I ever cared that much about politics. I wouldn’t even call her extra patriotic tho. She only pulls it out when it’s convenient. She recognizes people > star spangled merch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 9,694 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Not really. Hardcore patriotism always makes me a bit uncomfortable (especially from right wingers), but normal patriotism doesn't bother me much even if I'm not particularly patriotic. Part of it may be due to my mom, tbh, who is an immigrant (now a citizen) and while critical of the US in many ways has always said there's a reason she left her home country for the US despite all of the problems here. Also, I feel like the twitter crowd, when getting angry at patriotism in general or people who make a random comment about "loving" the US, often forget that James Baldwin said "I love America more than any other country in the world, and, exactly for this reason I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually." That's a sentiment I think is far more common than the twitter masses accept. Edited: Also, wasn't the "we're number one" thing said kind of jokingly? I think she is patriotic, but I don't believe she's hardcore serious when she says stuff like that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGMonster95 13,704 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 No lol she just supports her country, she knows that is not perfect like how some others acts like, nothing wrong about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Patriotism isn't a bad thing. Being a patriot =/= Trump supporters or right-wing ideologies End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausOfAntonio 7,821 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I loathe and don’t understand patriotism but I love Gaga more so she can do no wrong and I’m probably wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 9,694 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Yea I ignore it bc she has little impact on politics either way and she’s literally been like this before I ever cared that much about politics. I wouldn’t even call her extra patriotic tho. She only pulls it out when it’s convenient. She recognizes people > star spangled merch. Yeah, she's like...the average amount of patriotic here in the US. I do kind of want to wrestle patriotism back from all the right wingers, though. It's weird cause I was just watching the James Baldwin doc and I recall that great quote he gives about how he loves America and that's why he criticizes her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Well she represents whats good about America Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 9,694 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, HausOfAntonio said: I loathe and don’t understand patriotism but I love Gaga more so she can do no wrong and I’m probably wrong Gaga can do wrong but I don't think patriotism in itself is so bad as long as one isn't all "America good, everywhere else bad." One has to look at it in a nuanced way...like my mom, an immigrant, is highly critical of many aspects of the US and still loves the country. I've always thought James Baldwin had the best take on America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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