Agunimon 20,158 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 this helps a lot to help identify who is singing certain parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 5,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, FATCAT said: That many people in a boy band? Clearly just an attempt to market... It could be but is there something wrong with that? Marketing isnât a bad thing, all popstars do it. They are also slipt into 3 units, dance, rap and vocal and each are in charge of those 3 aspects when it comes to their music. I donât think putting that many talented people together to see what can come out of it is a bad thing though. And also, just because the west does 3-5 member groups, that doesnât mean itâs the right way... its the western way... thatâs it. There is no wrong and right way with such things... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agunimon 20,158 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 apparently my favorite vocalist is Vernon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSine 7,464 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, moonsago said: I donât think itâs corny, its theatrical and over the top but isnât that what Gaga is too? I mean... idk if corny is the word to use when you are on a Lady Gaga site  But itâs okay, I understand, itâs not your type of corny lol I just wanted to share the performance as I thought it checked all the boxes ( in my opinion ) for a great one. Itâs a different kind of corniness, and I feel like when Gaga is corny it is not nearly as in your face as this. Idk how to explain it but itâs how theyâre trying to act smooth and slick but it just feels so very forced. Like i just donât find what theyâre trying to sell believable in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipAway 880 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I absolutely don't mind Korean artists (IÂ been to Korea for six months) but it literally sounds like a Bruno Mars reject from 2011 10+ guys ain't gonna change my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 5,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, hoeslay said: ok im sorry what visuals are they serving? t shirt and jeans and 2011 production? Well at least they are doing something in their performances. And did you watch the entire performance? They donât wear just a shirt and a pair of jeans... 4 minutes ago, Serial Chiller said: How are you just realizing that K-pop is basically consumerist capitalism in musical form Not that you cant enjoy it but And what is American pop? Something else? Are they doing it for free in America? No. And thereâs nothing wrong with that but making it seem like only kpop is that way or manufactured and so on is kinda hypocritical when itâs literally the same everywhere, everybody is trying to make money out of music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 5,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, GagaSine said: Itâs a different kind of corniness, and I feel like when Gaga is corny it is not nearly as in your face as this. Idk how to explain it but itâs how theyâre trying to act smooth and slick but it just feels so very forced. Like i just donât find what theyâre trying to sell believable in any way. I can understand that and respect your opinion. It is indeed different and not for everyone just like how Gaga too is not for everyone and thatâs okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 5,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, SlipAway said: I absolutely don't mind Korean artists (I been to Korea for six months) but it literally sounds like a Bruno Mars reject from 2011 10+ guys ain't gonna change my mind And thatâs okay, I wasnât trying to change your mind lol I just found the performance very well done and polished and I wanted to share it for the people that also like big performances. I wasnât even discussing the song which isnât necessarily one of my favorites from them either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 40,887 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Is there a reason why there are so many members in one band? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial Chiller 8,044 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, moonsago said: Well at least they are doing something in their performances. And did you watch the entire performance? They donât wear just a shirt and a pair of jeans... And what is American pop? Something else? Are they doing it for free in America? No. And thereâs nothing wrong with that but making it seem like only kpop is that way or manufactured and so on is kinda hypocritical when itâs literally the same everywhere, everybody is trying to make money out of music. Oh i know youâre a kpop fan and thereâs nothing wrong with that. But to even compare the level of manufacturing and calculating in Kpop to American pop is just delusional. There have been countless of breakout Western hits and artists that went from obscure/ independent to mainstream thanks to viral success. In the past 10 years I can think of 2 examples from Korea- Gangnam Style- which was sheer miracle that no one expected, and Way back home by Shaun, and seeing how Kpop fans reacted to the latter success- by calling for investigation of fraud, tells me how much Kpop fans arenât used to the idea of breakout independent artists. The K-pop industry as people know it is a seamless machine that controls the talent scouting to the training to the production to the release to the promotion to the merchandising. Literally everything is under the grip of the entertainment companies. But I really donât have to tell you this. Kpop fans know better than anyone that their faves have almost zero artistic control over their image or music. Not denying their talent and drive. These are completely separate aspects. You can enjoy them without assigning imaginary attributes like integrity and authenticity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipAway 880 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, moonsago said: And thatâs okay, I wasnât trying to change your mind lol I just found the performance very well done and polished and I wanted to share it for the people that also like big performances. I wasnât even discussing the song which isnât necessarily one of my favorites from them either. So as long as the performance is <3 sparkly <3 it's fine? Okey-dokey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 5,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Serial Chiller said: Oh i know youâre a kpop fan and thereâs nothing wrong with that. But to even compare the level of manufacturing and calculating in Kpop to American pop is just delusional. There have been countless of breakout Western hits and artists that went from obscure/ independent to mainstream thanks to viral success. In the past 10 years I can think of 2 examples from Korea- Gangnam Style- which was sheer miracle that no one expected, and Way back home by Shaun, and seeing how Kpop fans reacted to the latter success- by calling for investigation of fraud, tells me how much Kpop fans arenât used to the idea of breakout independent artists. The K-pop industry as people know it is a seamless machine that controls the talent scouting to the training to the production to the release to the promotion to the merchandising. Literally everything is under the grip of the entertainment companies. But I really donât have to tell you this. Kpop fans know better than anyone that their faves have almost zero artistic control over their image or music. Not denying their talent and drive. These are completely separate aspects. You can enjoy them without assigning imaginary attributes like integrity and authenticity. Breakout hits in the west that lead to what? A contract under a label that does what for the artist? Strategize their career further on. Just because the ways are different that doesnât mean they are not capitalizing off of music. I am very aware of how the kpop system works and you seem to know a few things about it too what you fail to acknowledge is that more and more groups ARE given artistic freedom, as I even said about them, they have it! And even if they didnât, do you mean to tell me all western artists are songwriters that compose and impose their artistic vision in everything they do? No. Most donât. They have songs sent to them, directors assigned to them, a stylist and a makeup artists too and so on. AND THAT IS OKAY ALSO. Because I personally believe that itâs okay to be just a singer and a performer. You donât have to be all artsy fartsy and craft everything you do. And so is the case with them nowadays too, there are groups who write their own music and groups who donât. The same as American artists. Also, questioning these peopleâs INTEGRITY is a little bit... much donât you think? Exactly how do they not have integrity? Are they not working for what they have? And for idols that arenât artsy like how you want them to be, is just dancing and singing and performing not a respectable job to you? Thereâs no authenticity in being an incredible singer or a dancer? You literally diminish their entire effort with that statement. Is Celine Dion, a vocalist unauthentic because she doesnât write her songs? The double standard man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 5,315 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, SlipAway said: So as long as the performance is <3 sparkly <3 it's fine? Okey-dokey I didnât say that but thank you for putting words into my mouth. I said the song is not necessarily one of my favorites from them and that I wasnât talking about it in my post because my intention was to show the performance which I thought was great, not the song which I already knew most people wouldnât care for because itâs in korean. If you think I only like kpop because itâs âsparklyâ and not because I genuinely love the music then thatâs your problem. But advice for next time, please hear ( or in this case see ) whatâs being said to you, not what YOU want to hear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 55,820 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, moonsago said: It could be but is there something wrong with that? Marketing isnât a bad thing, all popstars do it. They are also slipt into 3 units, dance, rap and vocal and each are in charge of those 3 aspects when it comes to their music. I donât think putting that many talented people together to see what can come out of it is a bad thing though. And also, just because the west does 3-5 member groups, that doesnât mean itâs the right way... its the western way... thatâs it. There is no wrong and right way with such things... I never said it was wrong, just that it was clearly based on marketing Purr more, hiss less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
 littlepotter 72,829 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I don't see why we need to have a fight about authenticity every time kpop is brought up on ggd... let them be That said, while i do enjoy some kpop songs, it's never past the bop aspect for me. I've yet to hear one with substance, that says or does something that hasn't been done tirelessly before. But that's probably just mainstream groups chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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