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1 minute ago, Gabi001 said:

Why are Americans so opposed to universal health care? I don't get it. 

They aren’t, it’s just that Republicans have programmed their base to believe it’s “socialism”. We just have to take a slower approach to reprogramming them before we can get there like a public option

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28 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

Thats fair but literally every primary exit poll shows majority support for Medicare for All. National polls now still show a majority support for it. I dont think anyone can just generalize all of those data points and interpret it as anything other than people support that policy. 

No I know that. I was talking about politician support in general and who they vote for vs another

 

I wasn't talking about healthcare specifically in that comment

 

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21 minutes ago, Gabi001 said:

Why are Americans so opposed to universal health care? I don't get it. 

Because it is is “socialized medicine”

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19 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

They aren’t, it’s just that Republicans have programmed their base to believe it’s “socialism”. We just have to take a slower approach to reprogramming them before we can get there like a public option

90% of Democrats and 50% of Republicans support universal healthcare though. It is a bipartisan effort to stop it. 

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2 hours ago, Economy said:

No I know that. I was talking about politician support in general and who they vote for vs another

 

I wasn't talking about healthcare specifically in that comment

 

Ah, okay. That wasnt clear to me. 

I think its because people are more willing to vote against the person they like for the sake of the perceived electable candidate winning. Many people voted for Biden not because they agreed with him ideologically but because they perceived him to be the most electable against Trump. And considering the huge desire to make Trump a 1 term president, Biden won the primary more than decidedly as a result. 

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2 hours ago, FATCAT said:

They aren’t, it’s just that Republicans have programmed their base to believe it’s “socialism”. We just have to take a slower approach to reprogramming them before we can get there like a public option

The speaker of the house is a democrat who supported single payer 30 years ago who now refuses to put a single payer healthcare bill on the floor for a vote. Thats not a slower approach. Thats obstructionism. 

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44 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

The speaker of the house is a democrat who supported single payer 30 years ago who now refuses to put a single payer healthcare bill on the floor for a vote. Thats not a slower approach. Thats obstructionism. 

Because it has no path to passing. Just because the speaker supports something doesn't mean it will pass. 

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33 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Because it has no path to passing. Just because the speaker supports something doesn't mean it will pass. 

Not putting pressure on politicians to do anything still results in nothing getting done. 

Nancy doesnt support single payer anymore and that was my point. 

Also, its funny that when republicans refuse to put things to a vote they are evil obstructionists but when Nancy does it, its because it has no chance of passing. Im pretty sure thats what you call a double standard. 

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1 hour ago, HorusRa2 said:

Not putting pressure on politicians to do anything still results in nothing getting done. 

Nancy doesnt support single payer anymore and that was my point. 

Also, its funny that when republicans refuse to put things to a vote they are evil obstructionists but when Nancy does it, its because it has no chance of passing. Im pretty sure thats what you call a double standard. 

Those are two entirely different things, but I understand that distinction and nuance are not leftist strong suits.

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5 hours ago, FATCAT said:

Bernie is fighting for Medicare for All, he’s just not doing it recklessly or being stupid about it. Throwing tantrums while we’re trying to beat a facist is the stupidest thing you can do.

Bernie can be fighting for M4A yet still make strategical missteps. And those strategical missteps have a real-life cost. That’s all I’m saying. 

The reason we are the only wealthy country in the world to fail to have universal health care is because of politicians being bought off by corporations. It’s unfortunate that so many people have taken up the job of repeating corporate talking points. 

It’s a corporate talking point to claim that fighting for universal health care in meaningful ways that exercise leverage are simply “reckless” or “stupid.” Of course, there is no convincing evidence for this and these claims act as barriers to change. 

Don’t mistake replacing one fascist with a slightly more palatable fascist for advocacy for meaningful policies. That is the stupidest thing you can do. 

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7 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

Bernie can be fighting for M4A yet still make strategical missteps. And those strategical missteps have a real-life cost. That’s all I’m saying. 

The reason we are the only wealthy country in the world to fail to have universal health care is because of politicians being bought off by corporations. It’s unfortunate that so many people have taken up the job of repeating corporate talking points. 

It’s a corporate talking point to claim that fighting for universal health care in meaningful ways that exercise leverage are simply “reckless” or “stupid.” Of course, there is no convincing evidence for this and these claims act as barriers to change. 

Don’t mistake replacing one fascist with a slightly more palatable fascist for advocacy for meaningful policies. That is the stupidest thing you can do. 

I truly don't get your point. I had to close my savings account, people I truly cared for died and I'm 2 payings of rent of being homeless. I did vote for Bernie in the primaries. Where does that leave me? 

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9 minutes ago, SlipAway said:

I truly don't get your point. I had to close my savings account, people I truly cared for died and I'm 2 payings of rent of being homeless. I did vote for Bernie in the primaries. Where does that leave me? 

You are one of millions unfortunately. And the will of the people is being subverted by the corporate puppets that we call our political representatives. 

I voted for Bernie, as well. 

I do not think Bernie exercised his leverage/power in the way that would have been most helpful to the movement for universal health care. That is my point. 

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4 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

I do not think Bernie exercised his leverage/power in the way that would have been most helpful to the movement for universal health care. That is my point. 

That, I get. Maybe, he could've done better. Couldawouldashoulda. I honestly have left all of my energy in March and whatever happens, happens  

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FATCAT
1 hour ago, TheQueenLG said:

Bernie can be fighting for M4A yet still make strategical missteps. And those strategical missteps have a real-life cost. That’s all I’m saying. 

The reason we are the only wealthy country in the world to fail to have universal health care is because of politicians being bought off by corporations. It’s unfortunate that so many people have taken up the job of repeating corporate talking points. 

It’s a corporate talking point to claim that fighting for universal health care in meaningful ways that exercise leverage are simply “reckless” or “stupid.” Of course, there is no convincing evidence for this and these claims act as barriers to change. 

Don’t mistake replacing one fascist with a slightly more palatable fascist for advocacy for meaningful policies. That is the stupidest thing you can do. 

The fact that you think Biden is a fascist says all that needs to be said. All I can say is that you’re uninformed, clearly.

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12 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

The fact that you think Biden is a fascist says all that needs to be said. All I can say is that you’re uninformed, clearly.

Demonstrate the differences in policy between Trump and Biden that justify calling the former a fascist but not the latter. 

I will wait. 

You’re clearly uninformed of Biden’s record and his proposals. 

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