StrawberryBlond 13,278 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm left feeling a bit underwhelmed as well, especially on that Everything I Ever Wanted song. She's ok at the moment but she's not deserving of ultimate praise just yet. The music industry is setting her up for a fall at this rate. When she get a bit older and starts to want to look more traditionally feminine and sing about sex, people will call her a sell-out. The same thing happened somewhat to Lorde and Avril Lavigne before her. It's the big downside to finding fame at a very young age. You're still growing emotionally and it'll be reflected in your songs and image. And at that age, a lot of girls can be very rebellious against traditional femininity and being boy-obsessed. So, they reject it. But when they start thinking those things are actually kinda cool when they get into their early 20's when their mindset starts changing, that will also be reflected in their music and image. And that's when their fanbase starts dying because they think "the old ____ is gone, replaced by this plastic Barbie." It's why I'm against very young people getting recording contracts. Wait until you've become a fully grown adult yet and are in full bloom so the world will see straight away what kind of artist you are and probably always will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: I'm left feeling a bit underwhelmed as well, especially on that Everything I Ever Wanted song. She's ok at the moment but she's not deserving of ultimate praise just yet. The music industry is setting her up for a fall at this rate. When she get a bit older and starts to want to look more traditionally feminine and sing about sex, people will call her a sell-out. The same thing happened somewhat to Lorde and Avril Lavigne before her. It's the big downside to finding fame at a very young age. You're still growing emotionally and it'll be reflected in your songs and image. And at that age, a lot of girls can be very rebellious against traditional femininity and being boy-obsessed. So, they reject it. But when they start thinking those things are actually kinda cool when they get into their early 20's when their mindset starts changing, that will also be reflected in their music and image. And that's when their fanbase starts dying because they think "the old ____ is gone, replaced by this plastic Barbie." It's why I'm against very young people getting recording contracts. Wait until you've become a fully grown adult yet and are in full bloom so the world will see straight away what kind of artist you are and probably always will be. Billie seems like she's different though. She seems to be surrounded by a solid support network and she's not living a drink and drugs rock n roll lifestyle because she opposes those things. You raised some valid points but I don't think we'll see a trajectory full of clichés with Billie because she appears to be more real and down to earth. She seems to be more switched on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,097 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 hours ago, funkyhaus said: The Sound of Music tribute completely rebranded Gaga and changed a lot of peopleâs opinions of her, she went from being a weird pop star to someone with recognised vocal talent. My point was when people get bored of Billies shtick, she may not have it as easy to become something else that may be true, but why do you think she won't progress in a different direction, not following Gaga's path? There have been many stars without their "Sound of Music" moment and they continued their careers successfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 7,636 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 She's a poor man's Lana or Lorde. They are infintiely better but Billie has the label backing and the image to sell it better. Finneas also gave her a pretty unique and edgy production in Bad Guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlash 14,539 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I'm left feeling a bit underwhelmed as well, especially on that Everything I Ever Wanted song. She's ok at the moment but she's not deserving of ultimate praise just yet. The music industry is setting her up for a fall at this rate. When she get a bit older and starts to want to look more traditionally feminine and sing about sex, people will call her a sell-out. The same thing happened somewhat to Lorde and Avril Lavigne before her. It's the big downside to finding fame at a very young age. You're still growing emotionally and it'll be reflected in your songs and image. And at that age, a lot of girls can be very rebellious against traditional femininity and being boy-obsessed. So, they reject it. But when they start thinking those things are actually kinda cool when they get into their early 20's when their mindset starts changing, that will also be reflected in their music and image. And that's when their fanbase starts dying because they think "the old ____ is gone, replaced by this plastic Barbie." It's why I'm against very young people getting recording contracts. Wait until you've become a fully grown adult yet and are in full bloom so the world will see straight away what kind of artist you are and probably always will be. I agree with you on that in general. But I think Billie is different. I remember one interview where she was asked if she wanted to have a statement with her baggy clothes. And she said, she didn't intend to and if there's any message behind it, then that everybody should wear what they feel comfortable in. She also said smth along the lines of "Maybe, when I'm 18, I wanna wear a dress and do makeup." bc apparently parents from Billie fans praised and thanked her for not promoting sexy and "revealing" female clothes, but that's not what she wanted to say with that. So, bottom line, Billie always communicated that she may wear tight dresses and like "female things" in the future, which imo sets her apart from other younger artists where such a style change initiated their downfall ( fame-wise). Ew, David! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,145 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 The girl is talented. Vocally she has good placement and usage of runs and vibrato. Especially for an 18 year old. Her musical style is a mixture of Lana and Lorde.  THAT BEING SAID- I feel her voice is very forced. Meaning, she is singing at a constant surpressed volume. She sings with technique but no volume- and the vocal volume is down purposefully to stylize her voice. I want her to break away from that and just sing out but I feel she is being pushed to have a certain style vocally. She is able to sing out- there is a video of her singing âFallenâ by Alicia Keys. Record companies push for individuality when it comes to voice- more so than talent. They want the voice to be a product- and the more ther consumer can connect with or identify the voice, the more likely it will make money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yes and 4,884 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 There is so much hate on her lately. Is it so hard to accept that someone is popular and successful when your fave is not and never will? Did you think I'd show up in a limousine? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notget 502 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, dancewithnobody said: There is so much hate on her lately. Is it so hard to accept that someone is popular and successful when your fave is not and never will? I don't hate her but she's obviously shilled really hard by the industry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond heart99 5,262 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, dancewithnobody said: There is so much hate on her lately. Is it so hard to accept that someone is popular and successful when your fave is not and never will? My fave is Lady Gaga so... Iâm blonde, Iâm skinny, Iâm rich and Iâm a little bit of a bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floppy 7,951 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Well what's impressive about you? Would you happen to have a few hits songs or any Grammys laying around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,016 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Floppy said: Well what's impressive about you? Would you happen to have a few hits songs or any Grammys laying around? By your definition no one in the GP should criticize music or artists just because they donât make music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floppy 7,951 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Quark said: By your definition no one in the GP should criticize music or artists just because they donât make music. No I wasn't being serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 14 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: I'm left feeling a bit underwhelmed as well, especially on that Everything I Ever Wanted song. She's ok at the moment but she's not deserving of ultimate praise just yet. The music industry is setting her up for a fall at this rate. When she get a bit older and starts to want to look more traditionally feminine and sing about sex, people will call her a sell-out. The same thing happened somewhat to Lorde and Avril Lavigne before her. It's the big downside to finding fame at a very young age. You're still growing emotionally and it'll be reflected in your songs and image. And at that age, a lot of girls can be very rebellious against traditional femininity and being boy-obsessed. So, they reject it. But when they start thinking those things are actually kinda cool when they get into their early 20's when their mindset starts changing, that will also be reflected in their music and image. And that's when their fanbase starts dying because they think "the old ____ is gone, replaced by this plastic Barbie." It's why I'm against very young people getting recording contracts. Wait until you've become a fully grown adult yet and are in full bloom so the world will see straight away what kind of artist you are and probably always will be. Did it? From my understanding, Lorde's transition to an adult artist has been pretty smooth. Melodrama was well received and her musical progression was highly praised, was it not? On topic, I think it's because Billie's music is somewhat simple but also has lot of nuance to it. It's edgy in a way, it's different from a lot of other music that's popular right now. It's funky, poppy, but kind of dark. There's a lot to unpack and it's effective. Like StrawberryBlond, I'm interested to see what she does in the next few years. Being a young artist must be very weird. If anyone brought up the things that I did and made as a teenager, I'd be mortified. I'm not the same person anymore, and I doubt Billie will still be wanting to do things exactly the same way in 5 years from now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 13,278 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 8:25 AM, ryhanna said: Did it? From my understanding, Lorde's transition to an adult artist has been pretty smooth. Melodrama was well received and her musical progression was highly praised, was it not? When she did that video, Magnets, with Disclosure, some people were rather put out by the more sexual image she was projecting in the video when she'd never done anything remotely like this before. And when her music took on a more mainstream edge with Green Light, her fans were questioning if she was selling out. Melodrama sold nowhere near as well as her debut and she had no proper hits from it and is now widely regarded as a one hit wonder. It's like people thought she changed a bit too much. She didn't really, I do think she made a smooth transition but the public can be very steadfast when it comes to how they want artists to be and they can be very reluctant to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZwRaven 331 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 12:08 AM, NCgaga said: The girl is talented. Vocally she has good placement and usage of runs and vibrato. Especially for an 18 year old. Her musical style is a mixture of Lana and Lorde.  THAT BEING SAID- I feel her voice is very forced. Meaning, she is singing at a constant surpressed volume. She sings with technique but no volume- and the vocal volume is down purposefully to stylize her voice. I want her to break away from that and just sing out but I feel she is being pushed to have a certain style vocally. She is able to sing out- there is a video of her singing âFallenâ by Alicia Keys. Record companies push for individuality when it comes to voice- more so than talent. They want the voice to be a product- and the more ther consumer can connect with or identify the voice, the more likely it will make money. Gotta disagree, anyone can belt or sing out as you put it. In Opera it is the easiest part of what we do. It takes much more support to sing piano than it does forte. Is she going for a certain sound probably. Is that being forced on her, I don't think so. The female voice matures in the mid 20's. So we will see if she wants to go that way, but what she is doing now takes great control and vocal technique. I think she naturally has this and if and when she wants to go full voice she will do so and it won't be hard for her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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