beaublue 3,865 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, brownie said: Dude, literally my whole metaphor was about finding a better metaphor than the dumb "horses and cars" metaphor from the last page. I hope all those people who play piano get into a real studio and include real pianos in their music instead of synthetic ones. All I can say. All Iâm saying is itâs not the quality of the equipment but the person using it that makes it good. It all comes down to the persons talent, anyone can make a song with real instruments but it doesnât make it good by default, ya know? Lol anyway, good talk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie 5 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, lovedillon said: All Iâm saying is itâs not the quality of the equipment but the person using it that makes it good. It all comes down to the persons talent, anyone can make a song with real instruments but it doesnât make it good by default, ya know? Lol anyway, good talk But that's literally my argument -- that ANYONE can use ANYTHING with passion, but in MOST cases, the select few that take the time to strive for the best equipment usually also come with extra passion and creativity. AKA Gaga fighting for no autotune and real piano. Tarantino fighting for 70mm film. Kubrick fighting for and using NASA lenses for his movies. The TRUE greats follow a pattern of always striving for the best equipment / instruments / gear / lenses / film stock, etc etc at all times. The lesser ones like Charli go "guys I made 30 tracks on my laptop and IM THE BEST POP STAR EVERRRRR". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaublue 3,865 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, brownie said: But that's literally my argument -- that ANYONE can use ANYTHING with passion, but in MOST cases, the select few that take the time to strive for the best equipment usually also come with extra passion and creativity. AKA Gaga fighting for no autotune and real piano. Tarantino fighting for 70mm film. Kubrick using NASA lenses for his movies. The TRUE greats follow a pattern. đ¤Śđťââď¸ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie 5 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, lovedillon said: đ¤Śđťââď¸ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaublue 3,865 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, brownie said: Lol I meant the fact that we were debating the same conclusion from different perspectives đ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adorno 484 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 3 hours ago, TylerBR97 said: I think to translate what everyone agrees with is that the current state of music is pretty much passionless and everything sounds the same. Thatâs what most of yâall are thinking, right? Not that todayâs music isnât true music lol But that can be said about literally every decade. It is such a cliche thing to say. AKA "the kids nowadays". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie 5 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, lovedillon said: Lol I meant the fact that we were debating the same conclusion from different perspectives đ Oh, hahaha. Thanks for ending this respectfully! I posted that gif cause I *KNOW* my side/opinion is terribly pretentious, but it really is what I believe. I currently am a commercial editor/director and I want to strive to make films on Kubrick/Hitchcock/Tarantino's level. I'm a nice but terribly pretentious/old-fashioned person who really loves analog things and strives to use the best of everything, lol. I see your point so much but...there are so many people making bad songs on their laptops or releasing cheap lazy movies just to turn a quick buck that I don't have much respect for people not actively striving to make the best of their art. So much of today's pop is so manufactured and sanitized and electronic that I feel its kinda soulness -- funny enough, I thought the same about Unsane. It was more a gimmick movie than a real movie. (To me.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Ga 14,492 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 can't wait for her eminent downfall đ¤âĄď¸ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillynate 6,170 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Rainbow1 said: Eighties   7 hours ago, Rainbow1 said: Seventies   7 hours ago, Rainbow1 said: Nineties   Yeah cuz electronic music didnât exist until the 2000âs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killa 14,408 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Not She shading the people that write her music. Sweetie you just might have to do it yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaublue 3,865 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, brownie said: Oh, hahaha. Thanks for ending this respectfully! I posted that gif cause I *KNOW* my side/opinion is terribly pretentious, but it really is what I believe. I currently am a commercial editor/director and I want to strive to make films on Kubrick/Hitchcock/Tarantino's level. I'm a nice but terribly pretentious/old-fashioned person who really loves analog things and strives to use the best of everything, lol. I see your point so much but...there are so many people making bad songs on their laptops or releasing cheap lazy movies just to turn a quick buck that I don't have much respect for people not actively striving to make the best of their art. So much of today's pop is so manufactured and sanitized and electronic that I feel its kinda soulness -- funny enough, I thought the same about Unsane. It was more a gimmick movie than a real movie. (To me.) I agree lol I donât like most of the current music for the same reason. It irritates me that people are putting out the lowest common denominator of music & making money & people are accepting it instead of wanting something better. I honestly feel like âJoJo Siwaâ is one of those lowest common denominators so the fact that sheâs criticizing others while simultaneously putting out garbage is annoying af. I LOVE Hitchcock & Kubrick, I also love David Lynch, Iâm sure you know of him. Mulholland Drive is one of my fav movies along with Eraser Head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausOfMark 4,104 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 And this is all I will say to this. -Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie 5 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, lovedillon said: I agree lol I donât like most of the current music for the same reason. It irritates me that people are putting out the lowest common denominator of music & making money & people are accepting it instead of wanting something better. I honestly feel like âJoJo Siwaâ is one of those lowest common denominators so the fact that sheâs criticizing others while simultaneously putting out garbage is annoying af. I LOVE Hitchcock & Kubrick, I also love David Lynch, Iâm sure you know of him. Mulholland Drive is one of my fav movies along with Eraser Head. Lynch is my literal idol. Twin Peaks: The Return is one of the very few pieces of art I consider perfect -- and he spent years making it, carefully writing the script with Mark Frost and spending a year shooting it. Funny enough, his one movie I don't care for is Inland Empire -- which he shot on a cheap camcorder with almost no budget. It has its moments, but it ruined his theatrical reputation for a reason. (Proving that even a "master" using cheap equipment can completely fail...but when given film and a real crew, he excels!) I don't like Jojo's music either and think its weird she's saying this, but I also still agree with her statement and think its great that she's gonna strive for real instruments on her next album. I'm 99% sure all of her early/current pop/electronic stuff is pushed on her by producers and the label if she feels this way. If you agree on all this and "that people are putting out the lowest common denominator of music & making money & people are accepting it", I'm confused as to why we were debating then haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicisfreedom 5,837 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 How do you sleep with a whole ass piano on your bed? You okay JoJo? Bitch I'm Madonna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochestrMonstr 2,273 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 She shouldnât have used the term âtrueâ. And she should have acknowledged that her own current music is the absolute perfect example of the sound she is speaking against.  Itâs cool that she wants to grow as a singer, if itâs true. Iâm curious to see how her career plays out. Her fan base is unsurprisingly young but surprisingly large. Although Iâm not sure how helpful her young fan base would be in her transitioning to adult pop (probably not at all), it still gives her a bit of a head start.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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