Serendipity 7,821 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: That is very true. Although, in Fifth Harmony's case, I think he's been a bit too focused on trying to get them to make it that he's slacked on some of his other acts. It shocks me that Little Mix are on album #3 and he still hasn't made an effort to give them a massive push in the US. He might have done if he didn't come up with the idea of Fifth Harmony. I don't understand why he didn't realise he already had a girl group to promote and just focused on them. Making 2 rival girl groups with albums out around the same time was a bad idea and he's totally been giving Fifth Harmony all the attention right now, even though Little Mix are totally superior commercially. Their UK numbers are better than US numbers which is really a feat because America is a much bigger country and thus, higher sales should be a given based purely on population. But they just can't seem to truly make it. Simon totally made Cheryl say to an aspiring girl band on X Factor UK "I don't know how you'll compete alongside all the new girl groups like Little Mix and Fifth Harmony." 5H only had one top ten at the time and their album wasn't selling here - that endorsement was totally fed to her by Simon, in an attempt to convince they public that they were big. It didn't work. The fact that LM's new album could go double Platinum in UK is massive also, the Girls just finished a sold out tour See talent here-->http://bit.ly/2eqeUxK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 13,285 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, LG said: Because, as I said in the post you quoted, he does not treat them as artists as soon as the TV show is over. They ride out their last spark of fame and he does nothing to keep it going. If they lose their 15 minutes of fame he drops them from the label and moves on. Susan Boyle was meant to be huge, her traction died out and he did nothing to keep it going. Olly Murs was supposed to be huge, he's resorted to hosting TV shows now. I feel bad for people who get signed to Simon Cowell. His label is exploitative and awful. Yeah, if they don't keep it going, he gives up. But LM have kept it going and are outdoing their peak, so I don't know why he isn't trying harder. Susan's fame died out because she prefers to live the quiet life now and she has some emotional problems. Olly tried to make it in the US but the push wasn't big enough, he's currently working on a new album, he's just taking longer breaks between them now (although I think the last one was his last burst of energy). Leona Lewis is the biggest failure on Simon's part. She had it all, the most successful act from the XF franchise ever and after her under-performing second album, he gave up on her. I think her lack of good material played a big role, though. Just because she had a good voice didn't mean she had good songs. I think a lot of people regretted buying her debut for that very reason. If she'd just had better songwriters and Simon's support, she still could be big to this day. But she just had too much talent for Simon to deal with and he's always preferred male acts as they're so much easier to market and sell. Such sexism. 3 minutes ago, Baby Blue said: The fact that LM's new album could go double Platinum in UK is massive also, the Girls just finished a sold out tour Agreed, that was an outstanding achievement in this day and age, especially considering how it's their third album and yet they're at a career peak. It's very rare to see an artist out-peak their debut these days. I don't think anyone expected them to still be going strong and getting even better. After their under-performing second album and a charity single that failed to go top 5, I really thought it might be the end for them. But they proved everyone wrong and came back more successful than before. You can tell even Simon's thinking: "This wasn't the plan!" He likely thought they were on the way out, hence why he put so much energy into Fifth Harmony. Little did he know, they'd soon be competing against one another and the older group would be winning. So, the moral is: don't make a new band until the last band are unquestionably over. Similar to that proverb: don't buy a new bucket until the last one stops holding water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity 7,821 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: Yeah, if they don't keep it going, he gives up. But LM have kept it going and are outdoing their peak, so I don't know why he isn't trying harder. Susan's fame died out because she prefers to live the quiet life now and she has some emotional problems. Olly tried to make it in the US but the push wasn't big enough, he's currently working on a new album, he's just taking longer breaks between them now (although I think the last one was his last burst of energy). Leona Lewis is the biggest failure on Simon's part. She had it all, the most successful act from the XF franchise ever and after her under-performing second album, he gave up on her. I think her lack of good material played a big role, though. Just because she had a good voice didn't mean she had good songs. I think a lot of people regretted buying her debut for that very reason. If she'd just had better songwriters and Simon's support, she still could be big to this day. But she just had too much talent for Simon to deal with and he's always preferred male acts as they're so much easier to market and sell. Such sexism. Agreed, that was an outstanding achievement in this day and age, especially considering how it's their third album and yet they're at a career peak. It's very rare to see an artist out-peak their debut these days. I don't think anyone expected them to still be going strong and getting even better. After their under-performing second album and a charity single that failed to go top 5, I really thought it might be the end for them. But they proved everyone wrong and came back more successful than before. You can tell even Simon's thinking: "This wasn't the plan!" He likely thought they were on the way out, hence why he put so much energy into Fifth Harmony. Little did he know, they'd soon be competing against one another and the older group would be winning. So, the moral is: don't make a new band until the last band are unquestionably over. Similar to that proverb: don't buy a new bucket until the last one stops holding water. Yeah, I agree Leone had the potential to be a main pop girl, but after Spirit, he gave up on her. LM is working on a new album, so I hope he pushes them this time See talent here-->http://bit.ly/2eqeUxK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 On 5/31/2016 at 10:01 AM, just4fun said: TBH they are a singles artist. Their opening week this week is half of all the 150k albums their last album sold to date. But the album has some bops. I love Squeeze, Write On Me and That's My Girl. They also have two versions that if you add still make them at least #8 or more on iTunes. Also they are debuting with an increase in sales from their last first week which was 61k. If anything it means they are growing their brand. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't understand the high expectations of sales from a band that has never really sold well. They are probably selling what their label was expecting. If you notice they didn't really spend a lot on marketing like Blake did. Blake still has more marketing up on iTunes than 5H. All very true points. I don't understand why people hate on 5H so much. They stay in their lane and seem like nice girls. I for one do like the album. It's easy to listen to and I think most of the songs are great bops for driving to. And the real truth to being a girl group, is that their market is saturated with tween girls who want BOY bands. Tweens want sex appeal from men, not from girls. I will continue to support 5H and hope to see them on their 7/27 tour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir 12,676 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 anyone commenting saying it's a bad album, 9/10 haven't even heard half the tracks, let alone the full album! Their fanbase were probably the driving force for it staying in the top 10 and now most / all of their major fans have purchased the album, they're relying on the GP's coins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 7 hours ago, Baby Blue said: Will they even debut in Top 5 Yeah, #4 on sps chart. "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseBabe 830 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Idk about everyone else's opinion on the matter, but me personally I wasn't too impressed with their new album, and Idk, something about them all together just makes me a little uncomfortable. What I mean by this is that they all look like they can barely stand each other, which puts me off. I had seen a few pictures and videos of them all together and when Camilla talks a few of the girls were like or were so uninterested in what she had to say. Also, I have no idea what they're names are besides the one I just mentioned. Their voices all kind of blend together and so do their personalities. Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 13 (-2) 7/26 Yikes "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 67,029 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I really don't like them... Idk why but I just don't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 15 (-2) 7/27 Out from top 20 before Friday midnight? "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INNA 3,550 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Carmella Caballo is coming for wigs with ha solo career fragment-fragment--bul-uh...scab-uh..fragment-foot, bullet fragment foot bich! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Because it is a bad album.Camila go solo now that you still have spotilight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,651 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 What the hell? Why is Chris Stapleton still in the top 10? Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity 7,821 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 17 minutes ago, Dangerous Man said: 15 (-2) 7/27 Out from top 20 before Friday midnight? Tragic See talent here-->http://bit.ly/2eqeUxK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellspont 1,468 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Every mainstream pop album is bad theres like 1 in 100 that are actually good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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