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[JULY 2014] Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 crashes in Ukraine


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BULATIO

Why hatred to Russia when she's a seperatist and says she is "sick of everything Ukrainian due to the recent events". Her actions on IG are the ones that are getting the focus here not if she pro Russia or not.

 

And I would appreciate it if you keep your pro Russian propaganda out of this place. If you wanna discuss if Russians are getting undeserved critism just open a new topic. 

VERY FRIENDLY  :dies: 

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VERY FRIENDLY  :dies: 

 

It is not meant unfriendly, I am willing to participate in a discussion but I just think this is not the place for it :shrug:

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Why hatred to Russia when she's a seperatist and says she is "sick of everything Ukrainian due to the recent events". Her actions on IG are the ones that are getting the focus here not if she pro Russia or not.

 

And I would appreciate it if you keep your pro Russian propaganda out of this place. If you wanna discuss if Russians are getting undeserved critism just open a new topic. 

I feel sorry for  Western Europe, where the media copies information from the United States.

BAD people live in each country

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I wish Western Europe, where the media copies information from the United States.

Poor people live in each country

 

Let me ask you this one last time cause I'm not gonna bother replying to stuff like this again.

If you want to discuss if Russia is critised unfairly, open a thread let's have a discussion.

 

Besides she can't be that poor if she can have a phone with internet and opload her stuff in Instagram in eastern Ukraine. 

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Let me ask you this one last time cause I'm not gonna bother replying to stuff like this again.

If you want to discuss if Russia is critised unfairly, open a thread let's have a discussion.

 

Besides she can't be that poor if she can have a phone with internet and opload her stuff in Instagram in eastern Ukraine. 

You should take care of your article - "Russian news paper" forgive us Netherlands "". This article is outrageous, because of some magazine customize society hatred.  :toofunny:

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No confirmation, but most in the Western World know it and there's enough evidence to suggest so.

The Russian governments still says it has nothing to do with it and that it's the 'fault' of the Ukrainians though :laughga:

All the information that comes to Western Europe - comes from the United States. The United States still can not prove the guilt of Russia. Interestingly, in the dangerous area (Donetsk region), the military of Russia did not have weapons that could destroy the plane. Where is the logic? Let's blame Russia in a plane crash in Africa ... World stupidity  :noparty:

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:toofunny:  :toofunny:  :toofunny:  :fthis:

 

Inspectors who came to check the state of Russian troops along the Ukrainian borders have found no violations, Russia’s Ministry of Defense said. This came as a response to the US alleging 15,000 Russian troops have amassed in the area.

 

“It has come to our attention that new allegations by top US officials as to the alleged amassing of Russian troops along the Ukrainian border have been voiced,†the statement by the Defense Ministry read, following allegations by the US Permanent Representative to NATO, Douglas Lute, and State Department spokeswoman, Marie Harf.

 

“The last four months have witnessed 18 separate inspections along the Ukrainian border with the Russian Federation, all in line with the Vienna Open Skies Treaty and the Vienna agreement of 2011.â€

 

The statement goes on to list the international makeup of those inspections, which included representatives from the US, as well as NATO and Ukraine. The inspections also included flybys and visits to any military units that might have aroused suspicion.

 

No instances of violations by Russia along the Ukrainian border had been registered by the inspectors,†adding that in spite of the above, “frequent action by the Ukrainian military taking place on the Russian border has hindered our own ability to perform similar inspections and flybys along our border.â€

 

While no evidence of a Russian military buildup at Ukrainian border regions was registered, similar inspections in other regions, were they to be carried out, would undoubtedly find that the opposite is true for Ukrainian forces, who’ve had heavy equipment stationed there, firing regularly onto Russian settlements, the ministry states.

 

“Their actions have already led to casualties on our side,†the statement concludes.

 

Just on Friday, Ukraine’s army fired at least 45 mortar shells at targets located inside the Rostov-on-Don region, Russia’s border officials said. The barrage destroyed houses and forced an evacuation of civilians. Ukrainian officials denied responsibility, and say that it is Russia that has been using its artillery to support anti-Kiev militants in the Donetsk region across the border.

Shells from artillery fights in Ukraine have frequently landed on Russian territory since the beginning of summer. Earlier this week, a temporary refugee camp for Ukrainians fleeing the conflict was relocated further from the border, after several mortars landed nearby.

 

 

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what teams were examining the border? Was it an international team OR a Russian team that didn't find violations of border by Russia?  :toofunny:

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what teams were examining the border? Was it an international team OR a Russian team that didn't find violations of border by Russia?  :toofunny:

international team  :toofunny:

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:toofunny:  :toofunny:  :toofunny:  :fthis:

 

Inspectors who came to check the state of Russian troops along the Ukrainian borders have found no violations, Russia’s Ministry of Defense said. This came as a response to the US alleging 15,000 Russian troops have amassed in the area.

 

 

 

Did you expect they would say anything else?

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Did you expect they would say anything else?

 

This tbh 

 

If there is a link directly to the inspectors report, for example 

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Senior US officials are mulling over giving the Ukrainian government the exact locations of surface-to-air missiles used by the self-defense forces in eastern Ukraine, according to a new report. It is unclear if President Obama would agree to such a plan.

 

The proposal has not been debated in the White House yet, a senior administration official told The New York Times. Also, it is unclear whether Obama would give it the green light, as it would entangle the US even deeper into the conflict in Ukraine.

 

The Obama administration is reportedly discussing the level of America’s involvement in Ukrainian situation, particularly whether to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin more directly.

So far, the US has been sharing things like satellite photographs and the movement of self-defense forces and their equipment. But according to a senior administration official, the information cannot be used to target and destroy, as it is not provided in real-time and is “historical in nature,†meaning that it can be hours or days old.

 

“We’ve been cautious to date about things that could directly hit Russia  principally its territory,†but also its equipment, the official said.

 

The plans to provide Ukraine with real-time information “hasn’t gotten to the president yet,†the official said. He explained that the reason behind that was the focus of the White House on gaining support from its European allies for more sanctions against Russia.

 

The decision will soon become “part of the intel mix,†the official added.

Senior Pentagon officials are strongly in support of the proposal, arguing that it fits within Obama’s security doctrine of providing support with no direct military involvement.

 

Another senior State Department official revealed that Secretary of State John Kerry supports the plan of sharing specific locations of the militia’s surface-to-air missiles with the Ukrainian army.

 

“We think we could do it easily and be very effective,†a senior military official involved in the debate said. “But there are issues of escalation with the Russians, and the decision about whether it’s wise to do it†is complex.

 

The US has been sharing this kind of information with the Iraqi army in the fight against Islamic extremists.

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Civilian lives at stake

 

A senior official raised serious issues with providing this kind of information to the Ukrainian army. He questioned whether the Ukrainian military had the capacity to reach the targets, even if it was given their exact whereabouts. Any misses could translate into civilian casualties.

 

Another concern is that self-defense forces often move their equipment, further increasing the chance of a miss.

 

“Although providing the Ukrainian forces with target location data may seem like a panacea, the actual destruction of these mobile launchers by Ukrainian forces may prove quite a bit more difficult,†an a--lyst at IHS Jane’s, Reed Foster, confirmed.

 

Foster added that Ukrainian soldiers lack extensive training on how to use intelligence from other countries.

 

Some officials are also debating how much information Ukraine can be given access to, keeping in mind that it is not a NATO ally. “The debate is over how much to help Ukraine without provoking Russia,†said a senior official taking part in the discussions.

 

Earlier this week, media reports said the US is reportedly preparing to send a team of military advisers into Ukraine to assist with revamping forces there in the midst of the ongoing crisis between government-loyal troops and the anti-Kiev militia.

 

Early in July, the US pledged an additional $48 million for Ukraine to strengthen its state border guards service. Earlier, President Obama offered Kiev $5 million in “non-lethal†military aid, including engineering equipment, radios, and bomb-disposal equipment.

 

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During his visit to Vienna Vladimir Putin meets with Austrian businessmen. President of the Chamber of Commerce of Austria Christoph Leitl began his speech by saying that Putin recalled: 100 years ago, Ukraine was part of Austria. The Russian leader did not wait for the end of the phrase, joked that he was afraid to listen to offers interlocutor.  :toofunny:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJ1juNMaZA

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