Kayla 7,595 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Okay. I'm not well-versed in the Charts stuff, but I've been having this thought for a while. Billboard looks at album/single sales, youtube plays, and (I think?) Spotify plays to determine where a song/album will be placed on the charts. So if you buy the album (which shows more support than just listening on Spotify), every time you play it doesn't get counted, but if you listen to it on Spotify it does. Meaning if I pull up my iTunes and play "DWUW," that wouldn't count as a listen and contribute to the Charts, but if I listened to it on YouTube it would get that help for the charts. Which just...idk, it seems crappy because I think it gives a slightly skewed view of what people are really listening to. Can anyone provide some actual informed and intelligent knowledge about this to either confirm or disprove my suspicions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Josh 3 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I think Spotify counts up to 10 plays a day per user and 200 streams = 1 sale. Not 100% sure though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordeciel 323 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 In Spotify 100 plays of a song = 1 song sold. (sorry if i'm not in the subject) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Mr. Radio 45 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Spotify doesn't measure albums, only song plays. The only way to increase an album's chart position is by purchasing it. Songs are different. Streaming plays a certain percentage of the Billboard Hot 100 formula, but it's GREATLY outweighed by the percentage that purchases make. For song certification (aka gold, platinum, 2x platinum) 10 streams = 1 purchase, but this is only for determining the certification of the song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdreams 1,529 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Tbh just use sales Using all the extra sites and methods seems pointless Haters gonna need more than a flashlight for my shade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 4 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 In the UK I think, a song needs to have been streamed on Spotify etc. for at least 30 seconds for X amount of times to count as one 'sale'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
betarixx 1 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Spotify doesn't measure albums, only song plays. The only way to increase an album's chart position is by purchasing it. Songs are different. Streaming plays a certain percentage of the Billboard Hot 100 formula, but it's GREATLY outweighed by the percentage that purchases make. For song certification (aka gold, platinum, 2x platinum) 10 streams = 1 purchase, but this is only for determining the certification of the song. Actually it goes sales>streams>Radio AI And it's more along the lines of 100 streams = 1 sale because 100,000,000 streams (views) would garner platinum status based on streaming alone It takes 1m AI to count as 25k sales points, I believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordeciel 323 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Actually if streaming are affecting charts, I can tell you that in three or five years they will be the main thing for charts. Like sales used to be 1 or 2 years ago. With the amount of Smartphone that are bought, the very poor album sales (2013 best seller - One direction with 4 millions which is ridiculous) and the huge decrease of singles sales in US and UK (because of the streaming who is easier to use) streaming is the future of the music industry. We are in mutation phase for the music industry. And we will be in it for like five years. Streaming will make CD's disappear (till they come back like Vinyls in a more restrective way). You're right when you say that bought an album shows support and shows success for a song or a collection of songs. But what you didn't say is that plays of a song show us way more things about the success of a song, giving us way more information. And this is what streaming does. With streaming they won't remain any lies, songs that are hits will be hits. They won't be n°1 fan base effect or Christmas Artist, bought for Parents/GrandParents but with an album that is listened one time or never opened. They only remain true people that enjoy true music. They won't be people that buy ten times the new song of their fav's but only true success. Cause 100 plays in spotify = 1 song sold. And 100 plays is a lot. You're complaining too early actually cause what you say about streaming will be the case in the next years. And that's just how it goes, millions of peoples are now using streaming for listening to music and they are where the music industry could continue to live and make money. It's a thing that needs to be accepted and I can tell you: it's even better cause it's an easier way to listen to music, and it's a more fair system too! Streaming is definitely where the industry will go cause it's where the people already are so as the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,772 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 - 7 streams per user per day count - 166 streams = 1$ for the label from Spotify - BB Charts count Spotify streams 2x heavier than Youtube streams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Thanks for the information, everyone! I didn't know you had to have multiple streams before it counted as a "sale" to help the chart position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliLilMonster 460 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 - 7 streams per user per day count I think Spotify counts up to 10 plays a day per user and 200 streams = 1 sale. Not 100% sure though. Per song or total? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,772 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Per song or total? Per song per 24 hours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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