Gaga discusses LGBTQ rights in Trump's America

[Letmelivemylife 8,715]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

I can't at her implying she wasn't communicating important and admirable values through her work before. 

"when I was younger, I didn't quite understand the amount of attention I had, the amount of people that would listen to me. I'm older now and I'm aware of my voice in the world and I want to be as much of a role model as I can be through my music as well as my performance"

Translation: people didn't get me when I was wearing costumes so I'm ditching them now and selling out so people can finally listen to what I have to say (aka buy my stuff).

Another major artistic betrayal, I'm so ****ing done with her, all this backtracking (and don't you dare call this "maturing", throwing away all your admirable philosophies for a mansion, fillers, and public approval is not maturing) is hollowing out her act. She used to be known for her challenging art ÀND her empowering initiatives and philosophies communicated through that art (hello, how wasn't she aware of her voice in the world when she rallied for gay rights, started the BTWF, the Born Brave Bus, talked about immigration laws on stage, preached tolerance, self-expression and freedom on every goddamn radio and tv station etc. etc.).

Now she'll be known as someone who just changed up her act whenever it suited her so she could keep the spotlight fixed without doing or saying anything remarkable. Another pop star trying to fake authenticity no matter what it takes. Avant-garde costumes one day so she can look artsy and smart, lazy outfits and basic ballads so she can look relatable and human the next. What a fail. And she's still pretending she made Joanne without keeping in mind's people's expectations lmao. She actually dragged her own past albums, saying that because she caved in to people's desires her work suffered to explain why ARTPOP failed and her next project would be better, and now she's saying she's actively dressing down and bringing minimal performances and relatable music just so people can understand her because a meat dress is too challenging or confusing for them? What a horrible liar and a lame sell-out. She'll say anything to look like she means well at the exact moment it suits her, even when throwing all her artistic values and philosophies out the window.

Thanks for wasting my time. You once inspired me the most, now you've become what I'd least like to become. 

I can see why your angry and at times I can see tiny bits of that anger rise in me too sometimes but I always take a deep breath and remember how good she's been to me. She saw how broken and damaged I was and she took me in and glued me back together in a way. She took me in and loved me as if I was her own flesh and blood. She loved me even when I felt like I wasn't worthy of love. 

[SummerGirl21 780]

3 hours ago, Didymus said:

I can't at her implying she wasn't communicating important and admirable values through her work before. 

"when I was younger, I didn't quite understand the amount of attention I had, the amount of people that would listen to me. I'm older now and I'm aware of my voice in the world and I want to be as much of a role model as I can be through my music as well as my performance"

Translation: people didn't get me when I was wearing costumes so I'm ditching them now and selling out so people can finally listen to what I have to say (aka buy my stuff).

Another major artistic betrayal, I'm so ****ing done with her, all this backtracking (and don't you dare call this "maturing", throwing away all your admirable philosophies for a mansion, fillers, and public approval is not maturing) is hollowing out her act. She used to be known for her challenging art ÀND her empowering initiatives and philosophies communicated through that art (hello, how wasn't she aware of her voice in the world when she rallied for gay rights, started the BTWF, the Born Brave Bus, talked about immigration laws on stage, preached tolerance, self-expression and freedom on every goddamn radio and tv station etc. etc.).

Now she'll be known as someone who just changed up her act whenever it suited her so she could keep the spotlight fixed without doing or saying anything remarkable. Another pop star trying to fake authenticity no matter what it takes. Avant-garde costumes one day so she can look artsy and smart, lazy outfits and basic ballads so she can look relatable and human the next. What a fail. And she's still pretending she made Joanne without keeping in mind's people's expectations lmao. She actually dragged her own past albums, saying that because she caved in to people's desires her work suffered to explain why ARTPOP failed and her next project would be better, and now she's saying she's actively dressing down and bringing minimal performances and relatable music just so people can understand her because a meat dress is too challenging or confusing for them? What a horrible liar and a lame sell-out. She'll say anything to look like she means well at the exact moment it suits her, even when throwing all her artistic values and philosophies out the window.

Thanks for wasting my time. You once inspired me the most, now you've become what I'd least like to become. 

Maybe she is referring to interviews where she wouldn't call herself a feminist? I think it's about more than just her outfits tbh. 

[MonsterMum 2,532]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

@MonsterMum

Good try but that makes no sense. In 2015 she said the reason she crashed was because she didn't follow her own instincts and just did what she thought would please people the most. In this interview she's saying she will again do what she thinks will please people the most. I grew up from my weird phase and now I'll be a role model (meaning: someone dressing up weird can't possibly be a role model - how is that not a 100% artistic betrayal of what she stood for back in the day, I ask you?), her exact words. That is again caving in to people's desires (will she have another crash soon then?), so either she was lying about why she crashed back in 2013 or she's lying about having changed now. But what she is in any case is a liar, and it's not just a little lie, it's a lie about her integrity.

I really don't understand why I'm the only one upset to hear this. I guess no one paid enough attention to her interviews these years to even notice the changes in her rhetoric and her blatant contradictions over what is very little passing time, and yes I get that saying those things comes across as me acting like the wise one who knows it all, but let's face it, on this forum that is, frankly, so hilariously uninterested in Gaga beyond her imagined achievements (with which they can act superior to other fanbases ofc, 'cause that's what it's all about), it's not exactly hard to believe you are. Look at the responses I got lol. Only one person (you) actually took an interest, the rest didn't care. Didn't care. Did not care about an important Gaga statement because it required thinking. That tells you something. Not about me, but about all those "fans".

I think you need to see a few things separate. She is in a more difficult predicament than we are. 

She has, management, record label and excecutives, fans and a life in public eye added to the mix . Something we do not have. So her crash could well be because she was pulled in or had to listen to 1 circle much more than to the other and getting completely lost by it because the other ones are also pulling you (the fans) and how to please both? By cutting away one layer or putting it to a minimum she could focus on things she likes to do more. What I think is more now the realisation that she doesn't always 100% has to be either one thing or the other, that one thing can compliment the other or you can just let it be totally and focus on just putting out the tunes that you wrote.

What I honestly think is that she had convinced herself she had to be a certain way cause that's what got peoples attention so that's what she was supposed to do and that's what the executives must have liked too since it was making good money. But how long can you convince yourself of a lie? Until you just spiral out of control with drugs and mental issues so much that you just HAVE to evaluate your life and situation.  

[ThomastheMonster 288]

I can't believe someone could believe that she is selling out based on her saying she wants to be more of a role model 😂 Anyways, back to what this thread is actually about, I love everything Gaga does for the LGBT community 💕

[TopDomBoy 1,182]

How can someone proclaim to be a role model? Thats a bit arrogant, something she became in all this recent years. 

[TopDomBoy 1,182]

[Whispering 18,865]

21 minutes ago, Sister Jude said:

How can someone proclaim to be a role model? Thats a bit arrogant, something she became in all this recent years. 

In this clip, she says "I want to be as much of a role model as I can be..."

What's wrong with that? It's a statement we often hear from celebrities, athletes, actors, etc. 

No one is perfect, of course, but those who have a following and influence do often care about the people they are influencing. 

[Der Meister 3,000]

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

I can't at her implying she wasn't communicating important and admirable values through her work before. 

"when I was younger, I didn't quite understand the amount of attention I had, the amount of people that would listen to me. I'm older now and I'm aware of my voice in the world and I want to be as much of a role model as I can be through my music as well as my performance"

Translation: people didn't get me when I was wearing costumes so I'm ditching them now and selling out so people can finally listen to what I have to say (aka buy my stuff).

Another major artistic betrayal, I'm so ****ing done with her, all this backtracking (and don't you dare call this "maturing", throwing away all your admirable philosophies for a mansion, fillers, and public approval is not maturing) is hollowing out her act. She used to be known for her challenging art ÀND her empowering initiatives and philosophies communicated through that art (hello, how wasn't she aware of her voice in the world when she rallied for gay rights, started the BTWF, the Born Brave Bus, talked about immigration laws on stage, preached tolerance, self-expression and freedom on every goddamn radio and tv station etc. etc.).

Now she'll be known as someone who just changed up her act whenever it suited her so she could keep the spotlight fixed without doing or saying anything remarkable. Another pop star trying to fake authenticity no matter what it takes. Avant-garde costumes one day so she can look artsy and smart, lazy outfits and basic ballads so she can look relatable and human the next. What a fail. And she's still pretending she made Joanne without keeping in mind's people's expectations lmao. She actually dragged her own past albums, saying that because she caved in to people's desires her work suffered to explain why ARTPOP failed and her next project would be better, and now she's saying she's actively dressing down and bringing minimal performances and relatable music just so people can understand her because a meat dress is too challenging or confusing for them? What a horrible liar and a lame sell-out. She'll say anything to look like she means well at the exact moment it suits her, even when throwing all her artistic values and philosophies out the window.

Thanks for wasting my time. You once inspired me the most, now you've become what I'd least like to become. 

You clearly need help 

[TopDomBoy 1,182]

5 minutes ago, Whispering said:

In this clip, she says "I want to be as much of a role model as I can be..."

What's wrong with that? It's a statement we often hear from celebrities, athletes, actors, etc. 

No one is perfect, of course, but those who have a following and influence do often care about the people they are influencing. 

GP would eat her alive if she say something like this in the US, Id prefer her sticking to her art, and calling her outfits and what she do "ART" like she used to do, instead of trying to approach new audiences, the people who has heard her voice since day 1 were her fans, GP and even the critic will never be on her side, just see what happened with Joanne, but her fans still around. 

[gagu 1,928]

I would love to see you explaining all your moralist bullshiets in front of Gaga  

and she wan't implying anything, what she was saying is that back then she didn't understand the potential of her voice, so now she's more aware of this and she wants to try being a model (I don't see the arrogance tbh). At the beginning she said that some people can't see her as a "role model" just because they judge her for some things she has done in the past but that doesn't mean she regrets those things  why do you even put those words in her mouth !

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Sister Jude said:

GP will eat her live if she say something like this in the US, Id prefer her sticking to her art, and calling her outfits and what she do "ART" like she used to do, instead trying to approach to new audiences, the people who has heard her voice since day 1 were her fans, GP even the critic will never be on her side, just see what happened with Joanne, but her fans still around. 

What? No way! The US is full of this talk. So many artists or celebs say the same thing. There's nothing offensive about saying you want to be a role model, when you are in a position of influence. 

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

3 hours ago, MonsterMum said:

Translation: people didn't get me when I was wearing costumes so I'm ditching them now and selling out so people can finally listen to what I have to say (aka buy my stuff).

 

The translation you did is your interpretation and assumptions from her words and drawing your own conclusions by filling in meanings to statements. 

You feel like she's selling out and l like she is telling you to buy her stuff (the aka part, once again filled in by your own ideas).

 

You could be wrong, you could be right but please don't galop in like you are preaching the one and only truth and everyone else is just stupid for not realising. 

Frankly a lot of people, when you just read the majority of the press and comments of random people, actually will say that everything she did was just over the top and distracting. 

Even when you watch the behind the scenes of the HBO Born this Way show she says that people see costumes and they shut down. And generally speaking I think it's true, people don't like to watch a show meant for entertainment to think "what is the message, why does this person do this" as they would expect maybe from a painting. 

 

So she was aware and maybe just got tired of fighting to get it both (which was kinda having the cake and eating it too),  keeping up the expectations for the fans and realising you cannot live your whole life like this but achieve just as much bustle around you by speaking out about things that matter to a lot since she does have a platform and she can reach people with just words. 

 

Do I think she bends stuff when telling things? Yes I do, hindsight is always 20/20 right? As a person we all have that, why wouldn't she? You start things with good intentions sometimes and it just doesn't work out. For us it means nothing but just move on and "oh well, better luck next time" but in her position with fans following you and you don't wanna disappoint them, what do you do when you try to keep everyone and everything happy?  

You hit the mark! Completely agree  

[Whispering 18,865]

Gaga is one hundred per cent right! Now, we have to be vigilant in holding our local governments and politicians accountable for keeping the human rights progress we achieved over the last eight years. 

We don't know what is going to happen, but we should be fearful enough to stay aware and stay engaged! 

[Luc 4,772]

5 hours ago, gagu said:

Can you take my CAE exam tomorrow?? I really need someone good at writing essays and stuff 

I passed my CPE a few months ago. I think you'll be fine tomorrow. Use 'tremendous' somewhere, use a nice idiom like 'broaden your horizons' somewhere, use 'not only... but also' (or a similar structure) and an it-cleft somewhere and make sure that the first line of every paragraph is somewhat short and gives a summary of the main point you're trying to convey in that paragraph. That way you could get some extra points without actually being that good at the language itself.

 

 

 

 

She sounds so classy and well-spoken. I wonder what she's referring to what period she's referring to when she apparently wasn't being enough of a role model: pre-ARTPOP era or TFM era or what? Anyways, I'm glad she's voicing her opinions over things she thinks are important once again.

 

 

[Didymus 32,740]

1 hour ago, MonsterMum said:

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Except that she wasn't making good money in 2013 which is when she suddenly, magically switched up her act, and tried, ever since, to wipe her past slate clean, going as far to say in 2015 that her crazy costumes were just the outcome of depression, followed by the appalling words (direct quote): "When I dress normal, I feel most like myself".

And now we have her here, again, implying that back in her weird days she didn't know what she was doing and is now ready to go for it (if that's not a sales pitch to bring about a rebranding, then what is) "for real". Classic marketing trick, "last time wasn't really me, but this time it is!". She's already repeated it three times by now. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole crash and burn story was invented and approved by Interscope just so they could rebrand her next project as her big comeback so she wouldn't just disappear from the radar.

You keep ignoring why I'm actually upset. You're saying "Gaga was stuck on this idea that she had to be a certain way to get approval from everyone and she let it go" but I'm exactly ranting in this thread because her statements during this era prove that she's doing it again. We're talking about a video in which she implies that she didn't know what she was doing in her weirder days and that she grew up and is ready to stand for what's right now, and if you seriously buy that as a fan then I'm just sorry for you. She knew exactly what she was doing earlier, and she was using her voice for tons of important issues, and she's now suddenly caved in to the idea that she has to ditch her costumes and her avant-garde presentation 'cause otherwise people don't get her (which is something she talked about explicitly in an interview before the era begin).

How is that learning from the previous mistake of paying too much attention to what people expect of her? Do you seriously believe that Interscope wanted Gaga to continue with her weird shtick after ARTPOP? Do you seriously believe the route she took isn't the most profitable commercialized route she possibly could've taken past 2013? Do you seriously believe that Gaga is free to focus on her music now when she still can't choose her own singles, and has to have Bloodpop come in to make her songs more modern 'cause they were too retro (for radio, I'm guessing)? Do you seriously believe Gaga is focusing on the important stuff in her life when she is shooting up her face with fillers and spending more money on cars than on security (reference to an old interview where she mocked celebrities for complaining about fame 'cause it's oh so easy to keep your private life - remember? That tune changed fast, didn't it?)? 

She didn't learn ****, is making the exact same mistakes that she claimed were the reason for her downfall, and is constantly crapping on her legacy while she's doing it, reducing her earlier work to a phase of misguided, naïve depression caused by sexual abuse just so she can rebrand herself, and this time I'm not falling for it. She knows what she's doing, she was never genuine about all that art crap in the first place (which I could already have gathered from Starland and Fusari's interviews, but I didn't want to believe it) and she'll say and do anything to get a desired effect, just like every other pop star in the game. Excuse me for being disappointed and feeling betrayed as the curtain falls down, and I don't care if anyone disagrees, for me there's been too much of a torrent of proof that she's an opportunistic liar whenever it comes in handy and I can't believe a word she says anymore, which to me is the end mark of me being a fan 'cause let's face it, the only thing that ever kept her brand together was her claim of authenticity, and if I start to doubt that, there's nothing left.

You don't have to reply, that's the last thing I'll write on this forum. But thanks for the talk. It was nice.