Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 well explain. I had a great post and I hit the back button :'( essentially, it was all style above substance again. That will constantly be her downfall. She can have all the greatest ideas in the world, but if she can't execute them, they're useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotboy 1,700 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 the beginning of ARTPOP was so promising. they messed it up but its not too late to save it so whatever Remember that you are unique. Like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 326 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Electronic rage I can see. Everything else no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,007 Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share Posted May 26, 2014 This had me super hyped for ARTPOP. I love what we got (although I'm bitter about what we DIDN'T get) but I feel like this is a completely different ARTPOP. I feel like we've been told about three ARTPOPs; this one, which Gaga really explored during the Applause era with all her talk about art and performance etc, the 2012 ARTPOP, which seems like it was completely different, and then the ARTPOP we ACTUALLY got which is actually just a fun pop genre-trip album. i thought of that earlier the other day, i feel like, the music, the era concept, and the artrave are all different from each other and dont really hold up thematically. like, in 2012 ARTPOP was all like rave, princess high, party, closer to what the artrave is, partynauseous, stache, etc. then it was forecasted to look really sophisticated and modern, like the inez and vinoodh photoshoot, the press release, her applause video, etc. then there's the music which itself mirrors this ooble gobble of randomness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Gaga described ARTPOP as "a celebration and a poetic musical journey" that displayed a "lack of maturity and responsibility", contrary to the dark, anthemic nature of Born This Way,[22][23] and ultimately subscribing to what she called a "reverse Warholian" formula.[24] She told V magazine in an August 2013 interview that she underwent a "cosmetic experience with words" as she examined potential names for the project. "Popart" was initially favored as a prime candidate, but as Gaga questioned "the cultural implication of the words", and the title's evolution post-release, she soon found a "nice ring" to "ARTPOP".[25] With ARTPOP, Gaga attempts to inject vulnerability into her work: Pierrot and Sandro Botticelli's The Birth of Venus painting have both been cited as muses of Gaga's creative vision.[16][26] The singer admitted to being increasingly self-conscious at the apex of the Born This Way era,[27] and when asked about the decision to refine her image, she responded: For ARTPOP, I, in the most metaphorical explanation, stood in front of a mirror and I took off the wig and I took off the makeup and I unzipped the outfit and I put a black cap on my head and I covered my body in a black catsuit and I looked in the mirror and I said: 'OK, now you need to show them you can be brilliant without that.' And that's what ARTPOP is all about. Because I knew that if I wanted to grow, if I really wanted to innovate from the inside, I had to do something that was almost impossible for me. but I don't think we're giving it enough credit. The app was a failure but she did a good job fulfilling some of the other aims of the era. It's quite sad because it could have really blossomed without the problems of the post-Applause era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauser 1,262 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 No lie, that mission statement that was released with the first ARTPOP promo pic was so beautifully written, you can tell a lot of effort went into that. If only Gaga and her team put the same amount of effort into the execution of the album and it's campaign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 that was hard to read. For ARTPOP, I, in the most metaphorical explanation, stood in front of a mirror and I took off the wig and I took off the makeup and I unzipped the outfit and I put a black cap on my head and I covered my body in a black catsuit and I looked in the mirror and I said: 'OK, now you need to show them you can be brilliant without that.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 95,948 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 It describes it in a very grandiose manner lol. But I can see the electronic rage part but the app was a let down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,007 Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share Posted May 26, 2014 I had a great post and I hit the back button :'( essentially, it was all style above substance again. That will constantly be her downfall. She can have all the greatest ideas in the world, but if she can't execute them, they're useless. i get so frazzled cuz i feel like she was ready to execute it, like i really didnt think these ideas would be that hard to communicate, i mean for ****s sake i made a bunch of art pieces that where centered around ARTPOP and they where great, the photoshoot done by inez and vinoodh i feel really showcased a fresh theme, whites, sophistication, deconstruction, technology becomes nature, etc. but the music itself and as an era, it just feels like gaga is going in this constant circle of things shes done before. i understand ARTPOP as an album sort of serving as the last chapter to the first part of her career, you see that in the album, and you see all these stems of her past work/ideas, and i think when she starts over and starts the new chapter in her life we will see a lot of growth, BUT i thought thats what born this way was. it was an iconoclastic amped up rendition of what shes known to do but kickstarted with newer ideas. i thought that was the last chapter, and i was ready for ARTPOP to be the new beginning, unfortunately it wasnt that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopReaper 2,112 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The lack of consistency between the theory and execution + planning were def this era's lowest points tbh i thought of that earlier the other day, i feel like, the music, the era concept, and the artrave are all different from each other and dont really hold up thematically. like, in 2012 ARTPOP was all like rave, princess high, party, closer to what the artrave is, partynauseous, stache, etc. then it was forecasted to look really sophisticated and modern, like the inez and vinoodh photoshoot, the press release, her applause video, etc. then there's the music which itself mirrors this ooble gobble of randomness. And there was also the first concept of Princess Die and decay of the popstar, etc. Fun Fact: The K in KPop stands for "Kate Bush" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettgivre 83 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 it was all style above substance again. That will constantly be her downfall. She can have all the greatest ideas in the world, but if she can't execute them, they're useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Since all of that is just a bunch of exciting buzz words without much meaning to them, I should have known what to expect with this album Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 i get so frazzled cuz i feel like she was ready to execute it, like i really didnt think these ideas would be that hard to communicate, i mean for ****s sake i made a bunch of art pieces that where centered around ARTPOP and they where great, the photoshoot done by inez and vinoodh i feel really showcased a fresh theme, whites, sophistication, deconstruction, technology becomes nature, etc. but the music itself and as an era, it just feels like gaga is going in this constant circle of things shes done before. i understand ARTPOP as an album sort of serving as the last chapter to the first part of her career, you see that in the album, and you see all these stems of her past work/ideas, and i think when she starts over and starts the new chapter in her life we will see a lot of growth, BUT i thought thats what born this way was. it was an iconoclastic amped up rendition of what shes known to do but kickstarted with newer ideas. i thought that was the last chapter, and i was ready for ARTPOP to be the new beginning, unfortunately it wasnt that. Nailed it on the head. Despite the shoddiness of the execution, I still see this theme of simplicity in everything she puts out, from her stage sets, to her music video backdrops. Like it's there but she didn't bring it enough and like you said fell into old habits as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence 148 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Reading this now really explains ARTPOP.. This has been the epitome of ARTPOP so far! Yes! artRAVE too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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